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There are the 25 percenters who think even freedom is not worth fighting for. To cede the initiative to them would end the American Moment in history. Let's remember what the Democratic Cut And Run crowd want is for us to lose the war. That's the proposition involved in embracing a retreat from Iraq. No amount of rhetoric will change the fact that it would embolden the Jihad to pursue our complete destruction.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

1 posted on 10/29/2006 2:20:50 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
"If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons."
2 posted on 10/29/2006 2:28:13 AM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: goldstategop

"I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it."

Epitath on the gravestone of Post Modern "enlightened" Western Civilization.


3 posted on 10/29/2006 2:32:29 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Stop the "tyranny of the 'offended' " -- say what you mean and stand by it!)
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To: goldstategop
Thanks for posting this. It's amazing to me how so many people do not have a clue that we're in a fight for our very civilization. The Muslims want to return the world to the Dark Ages, and likely will succeed if the Democrats gain control. How can they be so stupid and so blind?

Carolyn

10 posted on 10/29/2006 3:14:17 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: goldstategop

"What a sorry sight. It's not a question of whether you're "for" or "against" a war. Once you're in it, the choice is to win it or lose it. And, if you're arguing for what will look to most of the world like the latter option, you better understand what the consequences are. In this case, it would, in effect, end the American moment."

This, in my opinion, is the most pointed and missed arguement against the anti-war crowd. If this were a question asked over and over again the message just might turn on a light for the crowd who just goes along with the prevailing majority wisdom. As a Native Texan, I never saw so many Longhorn logos in my life outside of Texas. When I present the "Hook-em Horns" hand gesture they look at me like I am stupid. I just grin because it is only their reflection.


12 posted on 10/29/2006 3:24:40 AM PST by mazda77
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To: goldstategop

He read my tag line.


15 posted on 10/29/2006 3:57:27 AM PST by freelancer (If we do not win the war against terrorism, everything else is irrelevant.)
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"The invaluable Brussels Journal recently translated an interview with the writer Oscar van den Boogaard from the Belgian paper De Standaard. A Dutch gay 'humanist' (which is pretty much the trifecta of Eurocool), van den Boogaard was reflecting on the accelerating Islamification of the Continent and concluding that the jig was up for the Europe he loved. 'I am not a warrior, but who is?' he shrugged. 'I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it.'"

This is one of the best Steyn columns I have ever read, and all of his stuff is great. He has a knack for effective ridicule of fools.

17 posted on 10/29/2006 4:05:17 AM PST by Tom D. (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benj. Franklin)
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It is a long distance from the front lines to the suburban cocoon of American affluence.

W is trying to increase that distance. Maybe that's the wrong approach. Roosevelt had the same problem prior to WWII until he let Pearl Harbor happen. That woke up the doubting Thomases.

W, reduce that distance ! You will see an immediate return to rationality.


BUMP

18 posted on 10/29/2006 4:06:02 AM PST by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: goldstategop

these people cannot wait....wait until the ruination of the US experiment....they truly believe the old adage of appeasement equals the aligator eating them last......

they have yet to understand that the muzzies only respect power & force...any sign of tolerence is mistaken for weakness... 9/11 demonstrated nothing to the lib/dems....the illegal invasion also has proven nothing....

not to be metaphysical or psuedo-intellectual...but anyone that can read...can equate and draw an analogy to the years preceeding 476 ad....the year the roman empire fell after multiple years of invasions of all the barbarians at the gates!

the US is periously close to the same outcome if it continues along the same pc lib/dem course.....the invaders are teeming across the borders....they are ruining the social services....sucking up larger & lareger percentages of resources and wealth which is sent back to their home countries and they are being welcomed and enticed with promises of more (vis a vis) the lib/dem senate amnesty bill.

and who else walks among these invaders...of course...muzzies that are determined to bring down the US and establish a muzzie land in the west...all in the name of jihad...

yes....if we continue to lose the wars with these terrorists...we do have a bright outlook!!!!


19 posted on 10/29/2006 4:12:28 AM PST by hnj_00
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To: goldstategop

WOW!!! Wish I could state it like that.


21 posted on 10/29/2006 4:42:02 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: goldstategop
Steyn is right on target.

They may be only 25%, but it's almost immpossible to successfully fight a war when the biggest fools in our country own most of the megaphones and control half the politicians!

22 posted on 10/29/2006 4:48:41 AM PST by Gritty (It's not whether you're 'for' or "against" a war. Once in it, it's 'win it' or 'lose it'-Mark Steyn)
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To: goldstategop

Come on guy's, go easy on the 25%'ers huh. After all they're not completely anti-defense.Remember the time Bill Clinton fired a cruise missle into Iraq and blew the ass off a camel in the desert? The 25%'ers all stood up and cheered the great defense measure taken by our fearless leader for that military foray !!!


24 posted on 10/29/2006 5:27:53 AM PST by Obie Wan
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To: goldstategop

I think van den Booger is right. A Swedish gov't minister was quoted a few weeks ago as saying they must be nice to the muslims so that they would reciprocate when they were in charge. In other words they'll go down without a fight.


30 posted on 10/29/2006 6:05:30 AM PST by 1066AD
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"That war-is-never-the-answer 25 percent are in essence saying that there's nothing about America worth fighting for, and that, ultimately, the continuation of their society is a bet on the kindness of strangers --"

Isn't that last phrase a famous quote from a Tennessee Williams stage play, The Glass Menagerie(or was it: A Streetcar Named Desire?).
All I remember is that some tortured soul in the play remarked in despair that throughout her whole life, "I have always relied on the kindness of strangers."
The allusion here is somewhat obscure but typically Steyn by being particularly apt.
35 posted on 10/29/2006 8:39:18 AM PST by finnigan2
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