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Women says police went too far in drug raid
abc13.com ^ | 10/25/06 | Mark Garay

Posted on 10/28/2006 11:27:01 AM PDT by traviskicks

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To: EEDUDE
Why is it going to be any better the second time?

Like all statist policies, it does not matter it they work or not. As long as they reliably lead to more government power and larger government budgets, they are supported by big government types and people they can fool by saying its for the children etc.
81 posted on 10/28/2006 1:58:31 PM PDT by JLS
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To: smoketree

As I said in my first post, this industry would now be dominated by Phillip Morris etc. rather than by drug cartels and not fund terrorism.


82 posted on 10/28/2006 2:02:13 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Bon mots

If no one is bleeding and no one is ripped off, the government should stay out of it.


83 posted on 10/28/2006 2:03:55 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: traviskicks
Another bumper sticker:

IF NO ONE IS BLEEDING OR RIPPED OFF,
GOVERNMENT SHOULD STAY OUT OF IT!

84 posted on 10/28/2006 2:11:36 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: AD from SpringBay

I Imagine that it's SOP to shoot any dog that dosen't cower in absolute fear.


85 posted on 10/28/2006 2:26:58 PM PDT by Cheapskate ( Preserve your freedom! ! Slap down the NANNY STATE!)
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To: Wolfie
But heck, they got that half a joint off the streets.

And since the investigation was only a month long, it probably cost no more than a couple of hundred grand to get that half a joint off the street. For the taxpayer that is quite a bargain.
86 posted on 10/28/2006 2:38:05 PM PDT by microgood
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To: muawiyah; jdub; KoRn; takenoprisoner

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87 posted on 10/28/2006 2:43:33 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: Wolfie

She had a joint - kill her and her family. Drugs are evil. < /sarcasm>


88 posted on 10/28/2006 2:47:42 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: flashbunny; traviskicks
and the cops went home safe!

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you,d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur, what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

-Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

89 posted on 10/28/2006 3:06:59 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: GLH3IL
The real issue here is if these folks had NOT been involved with drugs, they would not have been in the situation they are in.

No, the real issue is the unnecessary violence. I remember a retired black pastor in Boston who died in one of these raids. They had the wrong house.

I remember an east coast southern couple with a dog being pulled over in their car and their dog shot as the cops chased after a fictitious robbery based on a phone call from an idiot.

I remember four plain clothes cops (three of which were rookies) pumping 41 bullets into a black man as he tried to get into his apartment building. They thought his keys were a gun.

None of these cops were ever were punished. In the dreaded private sector, you always get punished for your mistakes. This is not the case for public workers.

90 posted on 10/28/2006 3:34:56 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: traviskicks
"They say they found traces of marijuana and cocaine in her trash after a month-long investigation."

So if some loser puts some contraband in the trash in front of my house and makes a phone call I'm suddenly targeted for investigation and can have my door kicked in, life threatened and house damaged? Seems that since the law provides no privacy protection for your trash they shouldn't be able to use what's in it as evidence since anyone walking down the street could have put it in there. On the bright side, it sounds like the Dhimmicrats have a new tool in their toolbox to expel conservatives. /s

91 posted on 10/28/2006 3:47:27 PM PDT by theymakemesick (If allah demands muslims kill non-muslims, he must be satan)
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To: traviskicks

I tend to freak out over attacking dogs (not scared, more like an adrenalin reaction that turns me into Dr. Jekyll's monster). That said, if you can't take a golden retriever out with the standard police bataka (club) - geez. It's not like retrievers are particularly big, or trained as attack dogs, or even dangerous if they WERE trained as attack dogs.


92 posted on 10/28/2006 3:56:59 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: Axhandle
I miss "peace officers". They kept the peace.

I despise "law enforcement officers". They enforce the law.

93 posted on 10/28/2006 5:42:48 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: GLH3IL
Where drugs are involved the likelyhood of armed resistance is significantly higher.

And why is that, do you think?

BTW, it's "likelihood".

94 posted on 10/28/2006 5:46:07 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: traviskicks

And don't forget that this raid cost the taxpayers thousands of dollars. But it was worth it! Our brave law enforcement officials go two joints off the streets!


95 posted on 10/28/2006 5:50:39 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: traviskicks
Personally, I have a great deal of respect for the police. It is the laws that I'm against and it is horrible that government puts the police in a position of enforcing immoral laws.

Travis, you need to rethink that.

One of the things (maybe) which separates us from tyranny is that our military personnel are taught that they must not engage our citizens on our own soil.

Cops are becoming different.

They could refuse if they wanted to do so.

96 posted on 10/28/2006 5:55:03 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: eleni121
Change the laws to allow crack and marijuana Big Mac, tobacco, booze, soft drink, fast food, SUV use if you don't like it. That will never happen.

There, all fixed.

97 posted on 10/28/2006 6:02:28 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: I got the rope
Why shouldn't this dog and this circumstance be reciprocal against the cop that shot the dog?

It's SOP to shoot the dog.

It should be SOP to shoot the invaders.

98 posted on 10/28/2006 6:04:18 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
"One of the things (maybe) which separates us from tyranny is that our military personnel are taught that they must not engage our citizens on our own soil.

Cops are becoming different.

They could refuse if they wanted to do so."

Our Soldiers could also refuse orders that they don't agree with. That would not necessarily make them virtuous. When the rank and file start concerning themselves with the way that things ought to be and acting upon those impulses, rather than acting upon lawful orders of those appointed over them, that is when we're really screwed. What separates us from tyranny is not just that our military personnel are legally forbidden from engaging citizens on our own soil, but that they are led by professionals who recognize their subservience to that law and to their civilian masters. Take away the professionalism of our military leaders and then you have the potential for problems because that is when posse comitatus is worth no more than the paper it is written on.

Likewise, the rank and file police officers do not make their own rules. They follow the procedures within their departments. When they abandon their professional ethic and start acting upon their own impulses, which are obviously going to be skewed by their day in and day out dealings with the lowest dregs of our society, then that is when abuse of power and outrages really begin.

99 posted on 10/28/2006 6:06:40 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: jdub
My answer to why they wear the masks is because the SWAT guys in the movies and on tv do it, and they look cool doing it.

My answer is that they wear the masks because they are afraid of US.

100 posted on 10/28/2006 6:06:46 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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