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Tan Nguyen Was Right!
ChronWatch ^ | October 27, 2006 | John Lillpop

Posted on 10/27/2006 1:34:42 PM PDT by freedomdefender

In the midst of all the controversy surrounding Tan Nguyen and his notorious letter to Hispanics, how many people actually read the “offending” letter? My guess is darn few.

The letter in question has been translated into English and is reproduced below.

Dear ----------,

You are receiving this letter because you have recently registered to vote. If you are a U.S. Citizen, I urge you to participate in the democratic process of voting.

Be advised that if your residence in the United States is illegal or if you are an emigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that can result in incarceration, and possible deportation for voting without the right to do so.

In the same way, be advised that the U.S. government is installing a new computerized system to verify names of all the newly registered voters who participate in the elections in October and November. Organizations against immigration will be able to request information from this new computerized system.

Not like in Mexico, here there is no benefit to voting. In the United States there is no registration card to vote. Therefore, it is useless and dangerous to vote in any election if you are not a citizen of the United States.

Do not pay attention to a politician who may try to tell you otherwise. They only care about their own interests. They just want to win elections and it doesn't matter to them what happens to you.

Sincerely, Sergio Ramirez

Go here, to find an online copy: http://www.theliberaloc.com/pdf/theletterenglish.pdf

After reviewing the letter itself, it is clear that Nguyen's staff is simply reminding citizens to vote and non-citizens not to vote. What is wrong with that, for heaven's sake?

Rather than harassing Tan Nguyen for doing the right thing, the more appropriate action would be to ask Loretta Sanchez why she has not sent a letter like this to the Hispanic community herself.

About the Writer: John is a recovering liberal, "clean and sober" since 1992 when he last voted Democrat. He is a licensed realtor in California, specializing in mortgage loans.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; tannguyen
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1 posted on 10/27/2006 1:34:43 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

He's being hounded by a mob. Where in the world have law and order gone to?


2 posted on 10/27/2006 1:39:59 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: freedomdefender

Loretta can't send that letter! She'd lose the election. Her base wouldn't show up to the ballot box.

My sister saw an interview on TV with some guy talking about the letter and how it was designed to dissuade him from voting. The problem? The words under his head said "resident alien." Sorry, poopsie, but unless the words under your head say "U.S. Citizen," you don't get to vote.


3 posted on 10/27/2006 1:40:16 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (I wouldn't believe liberals if their tongues came notarized!)
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To: freedomdefender

Tan em good, Tan!


4 posted on 10/27/2006 1:40:29 PM PDT by Blue Collar Republican
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To: freedomdefender

Yes, when one sees the actual letter, it does indeed change one's assumption. Heard about this, but never seen the text. Thanks.


5 posted on 10/27/2006 1:41:26 PM PDT by gb63
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To: Right Cal Gal

That's Loretta (I got a new last name) Sanchez?


6 posted on 10/27/2006 1:42:43 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: freedomdefender
Be advised that if your residence in the United States is illegal or if you are an emigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that can result in incarceration, and possible deportation for voting without the right to do so.

An emigrant? All the other translations I've seen have had this word as immigrant and a lot of the confusion was about whether the Spanish word used meant any immigrant or only non-citizen immigrants. I've never seen the word emigrant there.

7 posted on 10/27/2006 1:42:52 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Do not remove this tagline under penalty of law.)
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To: freedomdefender

It is the MSM's most fervent daily prayer that no one 'drills down' into any of their political reportage. This is because they are clowns and their news product is a farce.


8 posted on 10/27/2006 1:45:17 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: freedomdefender

Whoever composed that letter completely botched its intended meaning. Note: "or if you are an immigrant". Well of COURSE an immigrant may vote, provided he has taken the oath of citizenship of the United States. THAT is what should have been emphasized, otherwise it sounds like a piece of immigrant bashing.


9 posted on 10/27/2006 1:46:03 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: litehaus

She be the one!


10 posted on 10/27/2006 1:46:04 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (I wouldn't believe liberals if their tongues came notarized!)
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To: freedomdefender
I hope Tan sticks it out and trounces the illegitimi.
11 posted on 10/27/2006 1:46:05 PM PDT by Maeve
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To: KarlInOhio

I think the writer at the link simply mistranslated the word. In fact, it was a pretty poor translation in the first place, overall.

I believe immigrant is a better translation. If that's correct, then the letter is incorrect and is threatening.

I'm trying to run-down the Spanish language version.


12 posted on 10/27/2006 1:46:23 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: KarlInOhio

The Spanish word used was 'emigrado' which Tan has tried to defend as meaning "immigrants that are not yet citizens".

It is a lame explanation and I do, unfortunately, think someone on his campaign was trying to intentionally mislead legal immigrant citizens into thinking they couldn't vote. Seems silly because to get citizenship, an immigrant must know their civics lessons better than that.

It would have been very easy to make it clear, but then there wouldn't have been this controversy. The letter could have said "Even legal residents cannot vote until they are granted citizenship."

It may have been planned as a way to gain free publicity for Tan.


13 posted on 10/27/2006 1:52:07 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (I say we should flat-tax the Kyoto treaty all the way back to the security council ! -- Dogbert)
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To: MineralMan

Here you go...

http://www.theliberaloc.com/pdf/theletter.pdf


14 posted on 10/27/2006 1:52:27 PM PDT by A.P.M.
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To: MineralMan; KarlInOhio

"I think the writer at the link simply mistranslated the word. In fact, it was a pretty poor translation in the first place, overall.

I believe immigrant is a better translation. If that's correct, then the letter is incorrect and is threatening."



My understanding is that the original letter (in English) referred to "aliens" and that this was mistranslated into Spanish as "inmigrantes" (instead of "inmigrantes no naturalizados" or some other phrase that excludes immigrants who have become naturalized citizens). But the letter (in both English and Spanish versions) does start off by saying that U.S. citizens have the right to vote and should exercise that right.


15 posted on 10/27/2006 1:54:07 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Kellis91789
Kellis91789 says: "I do, unfortunately, think someone on his campaign was trying to intentionally mislead legal immigrant citizens into thinking they couldn't vote."

Kellis, How do you figure, when the letter starts with this sentence:

"If you are a U.S. Citizen, I urge you to participate in the democratic process of voting."? That sounds like an attempt to encourage eligible voters to vote.

16 posted on 10/27/2006 1:55:50 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: A.P.M.

Hmm...the pertinent words are:

o si es emigrado

This is bad Spanish. It has no meaning in the context it is written. Had the word been emigrante, it would mean emigrant. Had it been inmigrante, it would mean immigrant. Had it been migrante, it would just be migrant.

As it is, it simply doesn't translate at all.

Typical. The letter is written badly in Spanish, so it's impossible to know what the writer meant.

Never mind.


17 posted on 10/27/2006 1:56:19 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: Frank_2001

If you are a legal citizen you are not an immigrant. You are a former immigrant. The wording is true to the definitions of the words.


18 posted on 10/27/2006 1:58:27 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: FairOpinion; All
FairOpinion,

Arnold has called on Tan Nyugen to drop out of the race over this letter. Nyugen had been polling neck-and-neck with Sanchez.

Why is Arnold helping the DEMOCRAT win?

And why aren't YOU condending Arnold for refusing to endorse your "straight ticket Republican" plan? You certainly condemn people on FR constantly if they refuse to support every single "R" on the ballot.

Freepers should show Arnold the same "Republican Party loyality" he's showing Nyugen.

19 posted on 10/27/2006 1:58:37 PM PDT by BillyBoy (ILLINOIS ELECTION "CHOICES:" Rod Bag-o-$hit or Judas Barf Too-Pinka)
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To: KarlInOhio
Be advised that if your residence in the United States is illegal or if you are an emigrant...

"Emigrant" is incorrect. It should be "immigrant". But if you read carefully, legal "resident immigrants" are not citizens and may not vote.
20 posted on 10/27/2006 1:58:59 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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