[Zuben Elgenubi]

I've had GREAT discussions in my lifetime with others whos views were diametrically opposed to my own on many differing topics. Tone, demeanor, manners, and mutual respect made ALL the difference. So, I submit to you that it is not "anti-science" or "pro-science" Conservatives who are sullying FR, and, by extension, the whole Conservative movement; it is anti-social, rude, impertinent, foul-mouthed, posters who lack manners, respect and self-control who are sullying FR, and, by extension, the whole Conservative movement.

Thank you.

[Elsie]

...I submit to you that it is not "anti-science" or "pro-science" Conservatives who are sullying FR, and, by extension, the whole Conservative movement; it is anti-social, rude, impertinent, foul-mouthed, posters who lack manners, respect and self-control who are sullying FR, and, by extension, the whole Conservative movement.

I'd have to disagree.

They are merely making THEMSELVES look bad - immature, self-absorbed - me, Me, ME!

A great idea or theme or movement, CANNOT (IMHO) be hurt by these types of people.

Let's look at the OTHER side: Do John Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Carville or Dingy Harry make Liberalism look bad?

NO! Liberalism ITSELF is the bad thing.