[driftless2]

It would be a very large mistake to think the Clinton's are a bunch of stupid libs who lucked into their present status. It's better to look at them as two of the shrewdest pols ever to be elected to office. I didn't say that what they do is good for the country, because all they care about his power.

Bill was and still is a sheer opportunist who would do or say anything to grab the brass ring. Hillary certainly wants that power too, but she is more of an ideologue than her grasping hubby therefore more dangerous. She is as liberal as they come, but thanks to help from her perpetually deceitful spouse knows how to veil her intentions. Many people believe she is a moderate. She is not. But don't underestimate the Clintons.

[Mia T]

I disagree.

The clintons are ruthless, lucky (e.g., had Bush 41 not been so popular after the Gulf War, clinton would not have had the opportunity to run, especially after that soporific keynote address in '91).

They are not nearly as bright as their PR would have us believe.... We must take them seriously because they are ruthless and they have power, not because they are bright.