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Finland makes Latin the King
BBC ^ | 10/24/06 | Jonny Dymond

Posted on 10/24/2006 2:33:03 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim

Finland is one of the quieter members of the EU. But now its turn at the EU presidency has thrust it into the spotlight - and exposed an unusual passion.

Like the boy at the party with cheese straws stuck up his nose, it has been caught doing something vaguely disturbing - indulging a penchant for Latin.

It is the only country in the world which broadcasts the news in Latin.

On its EU presidency website one can find descriptions of meetings in Latin. But love of the language of Rome goes deep.

'Eternal language'

I am in a hotel somewhere comfortably north of Helsinki. It is off-season, so the place is deserted. There are dark brown mock logs, lining one side of the room. Fake beams on the ceiling, chocolate-box pictures on the walls.

There is also a man in the corner of the room singing Elvis Presley's songs in Latin, like Can't Help Falling In Love - or Non adamare non possum.

It sounds a little like Italian but rather more stilted - like Italian sung by a Finnish person.

We are a long way from Memphis.

--ELVIS IN LATIN

Surrender - Nunc aeternitatis

It's Now Or Never - Nunc hic aut numquam

Can't Help Falling In Love - Non adamare non possum

Wooden Heart - Cor ligneum

Love Me Tender - Tenere me ama

The singer is Dr Jukka Ammondt, an academic whose twin passions, it appears to him, march in lock-step.

"The legend of Elvis Presley lives for ever, and it's of course very important to sing Elvis Presley's songs in the Latin language, because Latin is the eternal language," he says.

Mia Lahti, who edits the EU presidency website, is like many Finns an optimist at heart. But why do a website in Latin?

"The website is in English and French," she says.

But they have their secret language: Conspectus rerum Latinus, or "Latin News in Brief".

"I know there are people who are angry because, for example, in their childhood they had to read compulsory Latin. But also I think it might be interesting to read the news in brief in Latin," Ms Lahti believes.

Latin revenge

Lurking within the world of EU Latin, which is only marginally more difficult to comprehend than EU English, is one delightful statistic - more people subscribe to the newsletter in Latin than to the one in French.

The Finns are clearly having their revenge on French President Jacques Chirac, who once dismissed their food as the worst in the EU.

The news in Latin on national radio gets 75,000 listeners, which may not sound like much, but on a per capita basis is more than some BBC Radio 4 programmes get.

This is the final piece in the Finland Latin jigsaw.

"In Latin we have more listeners in the world than for Finnish broadcasts," explains Professor Tuomo Pekannen, who does the translations.

"Latin is more known abroad than Finnish," he adds.

Perhaps Finland wants to dominate the global news agenda in the same way Elvis once dominated the music scene.


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1 posted on 10/24/2006 2:33:04 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Finland, Finland, Finland.
The country where I want to be,
Pony trekking or camping,
Or just watching TV.
Finland, Finland, Finland,
It's the country for me.

You're so near to Russia,
So far from Japan.
Quite a long way from Cairo,
Lots of miles from Vietnam.

Finland, Finland, Finland.
The country where I want to be,
Eating breakfast or dinner,
Or snack lunch in the hall.
Finland, Finland, Finland,
Finland has it all.

You're so sadly neglected,
And often ignored,
A poor second to Belgium,
When going abroad.

Finland, Finland, Finland.
The country where I quite want to be,
Your mountains so lofty,
Your treetops so tall.
Finland, Finland, Finland,
Finland has it all.

Finland, Finland, Finland.
The country where I quite want to be,
Your mountains so lofty,
Your treetops so tall.
Finland, Finland, Finland,
Finland has it all.

Finland has it all...


2 posted on 10/24/2006 2:36:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: kiriath_jearim

I'm speechless.


3 posted on 10/24/2006 2:42:09 PM PDT by RoadTest ( He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Rev. 3:6)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Suomi frigida sed pulchra est.


4 posted on 10/24/2006 2:42:10 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: dfwgator

Norway is a part of Europe, but has twice tried to run away. Fortunately, Sweden and Finland have captured the country both times, as visible in this picture.

5 posted on 10/24/2006 2:45:49 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Latin is also supposed to be popular in Hungary. It's a portal for those who speak a non-Indo-European language to get closer to the other Western languages, whether French, Italian, and Spanish, or German and English, since so much vocabulary comes from Latin roots.


6 posted on 10/24/2006 2:49:33 PM PDT by x
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To: kiriath_jearim

Lentus-a-um!


7 posted on 10/24/2006 2:49:53 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
De clunibus magnis amandis oratio
Mixaloti equitis

mehercle!
(By Hercules!)
Rebecca, ecce! tantae clunes isti sunt!
(Rebecca, behold! Such large buttocks she has!)

amica esse videtur istorum hominum rhythmicorum.
(She appears to be a girlfriend of one of those rhythmic-oration people.)
sed, ut scis,
(But, as you know)
quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?
(Who can understand persons of this sort?)
colloquuntur equidem cum ista eo tantum, quod scortum perfectum esse videtur.
(Verily, they converse with her for this reason only, namely, that she appears to be a complete whore.)
clunes, aio, maiores esse!
(Her buttocks, I say, are rather large!)
nec possum credere quam rotondae sint.
(Nor am I able to believe how round they are.)
en! quam exstant! nonne piget te earum?
(Lo! How they stand forth! Do they not disgust you?)
ecce mulier Aethiops!
(Behold the black woman!)

magnae clunes mihi placent, nec possum de hac re mentiri.
(Large buttocks are pleasing to me, nor am I able to lie concerning this matter.)
quis enim, consortes mei, non fateatur,
(For who, colleagues, would not admit,)
cum puella incedit minore medio corpore
(Whenever a girl comes by with a rather small middle part of the body)
sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos
(Beneath which is an obvious spherical mass, that it inflames the spirits)...
8 posted on 10/24/2006 2:51:53 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Well, my days of not taking your seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Do Finnish hog farmers speak pig Latin?


9 posted on 10/24/2006 2:53:17 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Actually, the Finns have been real leaders in the revival of Latin, and any Latinist who wants to log on and listen will be amply rewarded. Also, Latin teachers out there - and their students - will enjoy the current events in Latin.

Highly recommended!


10 posted on 10/24/2006 2:53:36 PM PDT by livius
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To: dfwgator

Just toss another reindeer on the barby eh!


11 posted on 10/24/2006 2:58:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cicero

Not good, but otherwise understandable Latin.


12 posted on 10/24/2006 2:58:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: x

Actually, all that marvelous vocabulary ends up coming from Ladino, which is not exactly Latin. This is the language where advances in the sciences, arts, and engineering were made in the Medieval period.


13 posted on 10/24/2006 3:00:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AnAmericanMother

Latin ping-a-ling!


14 posted on 10/24/2006 3:01:12 PM PDT by livius
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To: kiriath_jearim
Like the boy at the party with cheese straws stuck up his nose, it has been caught doing something vaguely disturbing - indulging a penchant for Latin.

Vaguely disturbing?? Why is that?? That seems like a rather odd thing to say.

It is like the Catholic Church today. The Pope is getting ready to allow the old Latin Mass to be said again after 40 years, and the libs in the Church are having a cow about it. I have come to the conclusion that in the case of the Catholic Church that Latin=Conservative/Orthodox, and Strongly Opposed to Latin=Liberal (it seems that those with no strong opinion on the topic can break either way).

I wonder if this article is a case of some sort of condescending anti-Latin prejudice (except it is regarding a more secular topic), or are simply being funny?? I will assume that they are only being funny (outside of the Catholic Church, I can't imagine there being any sort of political connotations being attached to the Latin language).

Other than the comment I highlighted above, I found this article to be interesting and amusing. I didn't know that Latin is still commonly used anywhere, outside of the Church. I LOVE the fact that the Latin version of their newsletter is more popular than the French version!!

Many in my parents generation (and younger too) decry the fact that Latin is no longer required in U.S. High School eductation (I never took it when I was in school). Latin is, of course, no longer commonly spoken today. However, so many modern languages are heavily based upon Latin that by learning Latin, it becomes much easier to learn these other modern languages. It also opens up the world of many classic scholarly works (which are written in Latin) to direct reading by us "common people"!!

My mom tells me that when she had French in High School, if she did not know the answer on a test, she would write down the correct answer in Latin instead, hoping that the teacher would not notice. She says he always did, but one wonders if she got bonus points for trying!!

We would probably do well as a nation to go back to requiring our students to take Latin in High School again. It would open up a much larger world, and we would be much better-educated thinkers as a result. These people have the right idea.
15 posted on 10/24/2006 3:04:56 PM PDT by Zetman (I believe the children are the next generation.)
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To: franksolich

ping


16 posted on 10/24/2006 3:08:13 PM PDT by Miss Behave (You can't negotiate with people who want to kill you more than they want to live. ~Caller to Hannity)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Yay, Latin!

Can any of you Latinists point me to sites with accented Latin texts and one-letter diphtongs? I've put together a Latin reading tool at semi-fluent.com, and I'd like to evaluate whether I should spend my time treating such special cases.

17 posted on 10/24/2006 3:21:22 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: kiriath_jearim

My wife is in Linguistics Dept. She said nowadays 'Endangered Languages' issue is very hot in that field. Donor agencies (NSF, etc.) provide tons of money to research on preserving these endangered languages. Some of them only have less than 100 speakers. And now these people are making a big deal about Latin, a very important language of the past?


18 posted on 10/24/2006 3:38:22 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

All and good, but do they have Elvis on black velvet?


19 posted on 10/24/2006 5:05:04 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I met Bill Clinton once but he didn’t really talk — he was hitting on my wife)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Like the boy at the party with cheese straws stuck up his nose, it has been caught doing something vaguely disturbing - indulging a penchant for Latin.

A complete jackass wrote this article. 

Good for Finland: Latin's one of the cooler languages in the world.

20 posted on 10/24/2006 5:08:40 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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