[WorkingClassFilth]

Responsibility is an individual thing.

I'm pleased that you agree with me that individual responsibility is fundamentally important. When the aggregate actions of these same individuals are examined, though, it becomes another piece of evidence that boomers are a failed generation. You and I, fortunately, are not in sync with the deeds and reputation of our times.

Lumping people into any kind of group think based on age or "generation" is pointless.

The need to make comparisons and draw contrasts is crucial to any kind of analysis. You cannot ameliorate the culpability of our g-g-generation or pass the buck onto the WWII'ers without doing precisely what you are objecting to. Sorry, friend, but a cohort, in a historical sense, is judged by the deeds (or misdeeds) of the many. Another way of saying it is that you are judged by the company you keep. By any honest and comprehensive standard, your objections do not hold water.

Every single generation has some of these people! Our nation was trending in that direction before the first boomer was born.

Uh, I guess you are have missed a page or two of history somewhere along the line. However, to be fair, please make your case that in 1945 a seething, pulsing generational desire to murder 45 million offspring was secretly practiced to enable carefree hedonism...

Truth is, there was no such characteristic to that generation. None. They valued and multiplied their children as the boomer cohort empirically attests. Now, we both agree there were deviants in those days as befitting human nature - even deviants that helped pass bad laws. That doesn't, however, define anything but the rule of human nature. The character of that generation is an astounding contrast to the self-justifying sniveling of our murderous and hedonistic g-g-generation.

You are trying to buy into a lot of media hype created about a generation & in doing so, you're not seeing them as individuals.

Once again, we are agreed that as individuals, many of us did not get on board with our g-g-generation. That said, we were/are the pig in a python in terms of our generational impact - on everything. That effect is the summation of all or our collective choices - and we collectively made horrible and suicidal choices. In that regard, we may be innocent members of a particularly weak, self-deluded and indulgent generation, but we are members nonetheless. If your individual conscience is troubled by a collective label, it's time to buck up and make a healthy distinction between your own self-identity and innocent membership in a loser g-g-generation that has brought America to the doorstep of our national demise.

[GoLightly]

When the aggregate actions of these same individuals are examined, though, it becomes another piece of evidence that boomers are a failed generation.

I disagree.

The need to make comparisons and draw contrasts is crucial to any kind of analysis.

Comparing on the basis of age is less relevant than comparing on the basis of ideology.

You cannot ameliorate the culpability of our g-g-generation or pass the buck onto the WWII'ers without doing precisely what you are objecting to.

I'm not trying to pass the buck to the WWII'ers or any "generation" that came before them.

Sorry, friend, but a cohort, in a historical sense, is judged by the deeds (or misdeeds) of the many. Another way of saying it is that you are judged by the company you keep. By any honest and comprehensive standard, your objections do not hold water.

My position remains.

Uh, I guess you are have missed a page or two of history somewhere along the line. However, to be fair, please make your case that in 1945 a seething, pulsing generational desire to murder 45 million offspring was secretly practiced to enable carefree hedonism...

Introduction of "the pill" into society enabled much of the carefree hedonism. As to your statement about "a desire to murder 45 million offspring", I could just as easily claim there was "a desire to murder 45 million *grandchildren*, as abortion was made legal via judicial fiat & correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there was even one justice of the boomer generation on that court.

Truth is, there was no such characteristic to that generation. None. They valued and multiplied their children as the boomer cohort empirically attests.

They multiplied their children, but I'd have to say that some didn't do so joyfully or because they valued children.

Now, we both agree there were deviants in those days as befitting human nature - even deviants that helped pass bad laws. That doesn't, however, define anything but the rule of human nature.

Ding ding ding, we're talking about the rule of human nature.

The character of that generation is an astounding contrast to the self-justifying sniveling of our murderous and hedonistic g-g-generation.

Again, I disagree.