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A sobering setback in stem-cell research [embryonic=tumor]
Globe and Mail ^ | CAROLYN ABRAHAM

Posted on 10/23/2006 4:56:41 PM PDT by minus_273

The progress of science is paved with stories of high hopes and heartbreaks. But in a busy lab at the University of Rochester the two extremes have met in one dazzling yet devastating experiment.

Researchers there have for the first time essentially cured rats of a Parkinson's-like disease using human embryonic stem cells. But 10 weeks into the trial, they discovered brain tumours had begun to grow in every animal treated.

"Here we have this method that works so well to reverse the symptoms of Parkinson's," said lead investigator Steven Goldman, "But no matter how you look at it, it's an expanding mass and that's bad news."

None of the cells growing out of control were cancerous tumours. But as Dr. Goldman pointed out, "In the brain, nothing's benign."

(Excerpt) Read more at theglobeandmail.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: adultstemcells; babykillers; embryonic; moralabsolutes; righttolife; stemcells
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To: screamradish

The Amish don't "fear" technology.


21 posted on 10/23/2006 6:10:05 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: minus_273
Also look at how the media deliberately mixes stem cells with embryonic stem cells to seed confusion.

Liars.

22 posted on 10/23/2006 6:14:55 PM PDT by syriacus (LORD, bless the good people of Iraq and our troops AND confound those who plot evil against them..)
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To: gcruse
and some people see the world through fevered delusions.

Who would those folks be?

23 posted on 10/23/2006 6:16:41 PM PDT by syriacus (LORD, bless the good people of Iraq and our troops AND confound those who plot evil against them..)
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To: IncPen

That was my first thought!

LLS


24 posted on 10/23/2006 6:28:17 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: screamradish

Ah, the new god of techonolgy - it was technology which enable the Nazis to kill millions of Jews, Slavs, Poles, gypsies and other "undesirables" in such an organized way! Techology enables people to get sex "change" operations, too! And all the mental novocaine available - more technology. And just think! Only 90,000 people a year DIE in hospitals because someone gave them the wrong techonology.

Yes, more technology means people will be happier, yes indeed.


25 posted on 10/23/2006 6:43:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Cicero

The story was they were being INJECTED with the stuff at some off shore clinics.

Bet some heated calls are being placed to their docs.


26 posted on 10/23/2006 7:10:24 PM PDT by Mrs.Z (Mrs.Z)
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To: Mrs.Z

OK, I knew I read something like that. Thanks.


27 posted on 10/23/2006 7:15:00 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: little jeremiah
Yes, more technology means people will be happier, yes indeed.

So we should do without science and technology because the Nazis perverted science and used technology for evil ends? Before modern science and technology people were ethical and happy? In parts of the world where technology is limited (such as Rwanda and Somalia) people are healthy and peaceful?

28 posted on 10/23/2006 7:53:30 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: minus_273

Quick, let Michael J Fox use this to cure his parkinson so that by the end of the year we can show that his whoring about embryonic stem cells have been a horrible, horrible mistake. You know those liberals love, love, love to admit their mistakes because they keep demanding that W 'admit' his mistakes all the time.


29 posted on 10/23/2006 8:12:21 PM PDT by bpjam (Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Qaida - The Religion of Peace)
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To: minus_273
People insist on using embryonic ones for experiments as a backdoor way
of legitimizing abortion via science.


And to assure a steady flow of tax-payer dollars for research funds to
use embryonic stem cells to cure diseases....
some of which are already treated successfully with adult stem cells.
30 posted on 10/23/2006 8:20:04 PM PDT by VOA
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To: minus_273
there are existing treatments using adult stem cells

Name them. What are they used to treat? Will insurance companies pay for the treatment?

31 posted on 10/23/2006 8:27:45 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Wilhelm Tell

Is money good or bad? It all depends on what you use it for. In fact, if a person is stupid or evil having more power in the form of money or technology only increases their ability to cause harm.

What really makes people unhappy is their twisted minds and hearts, not lack of technology. And lots of fancy technology does not make people happier or better. There are many malignant uses of technology, and to pretend otherwise is to worship it for its own sake.

I am not opposed to all technology - I am typing at a computer using the internet, listening to music on a CD player, and my house is lighted with electricity, and there is are two vehicles parked outside. But to pretend that technological advances have made any improvement to the human spirit is worship of that which should not be worshiped, I'd call it a form of idol worship.


32 posted on 10/23/2006 9:06:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Dave S

Look it up. Google can find the list for you. And when did insurance companies become arbiters of moral rectitude?


33 posted on 10/23/2006 9:18:57 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: minus_273

And do you think this will ever make it on the evening news? I have my doubts.


34 posted on 10/24/2006 6:24:28 AM PDT by al_c
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To: Elsiejay
Look it up. Google can find the list for you. And when did insurance companies become arbiters of moral rectitude?

Minius said they exist so I think its up to him to prove it. As far as the insurance companies, you cant really call something a cure unless the insurance companies are paying for it. If they are not paying for it, its still an experimental cure, its still being tested and it may or may not work. Just because Dobson or some PRo Life folks say something is true means it is. My overall point is dont trust either the Pro Life or Pro Choice folks on this one. They are both blowing a lot of smoke.

35 posted on 10/24/2006 12:09:36 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Argus
No good can come from the vampirish practice of embryonic stem cell harvesting.

As Dr. Goldman is finding out! My thought is, what would Jesus think of using parts havested from the most innocent to cure diseases of adults?
36 posted on 10/24/2006 12:15:21 PM PDT by rochester_veteran (born and raised in rachacha!)
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To: little jeremiah

Technology can be misused, sure... but EVERYTHING is technology.

Castles were popular up to the point the cannon was invented.

The amish use backhoes to till their fields, horse and buggies (complete with wheels!), oil lamps, axes, butter churns, and probably (manual) machinery to make their clothes. That is all technology. This techology could EASILY be misused. They have frozen themselves technologically at an ARBITRARY point in time for misguided religious reasons.

They refuse to use electricity..... why?
Many families refuse to use modern medicines.... why?

Screw the Amish.

-s


37 posted on 10/24/2006 2:24:03 PM PDT by screamradish
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To: screamradish

Your screen name suits you.

People have free will to use what technology they want and not use what they don't want. This bothers you, somehow?


38 posted on 10/24/2006 4:33:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Dave S

Google overwhelmed me with links to reports, in credible medical/scientific journals, of successful treatments and even some apparent cures realized by use of adult or umbilical cord blood stem cells, often with cells obtained from the person being treated, none requiring destroying a living nascent human entity.
See, for example:
http://www.lifeissues.org/cloningstemcell/adultstemsuccess.htm
and http://www.lifenews.com/bio1134.html

Following is an excerpt from an article published in the Jour. of Clinical Oncology:
"The finding is important because more than 45,000 receive the adult stem cell transplants each year. No one has benefited from embryonic stem cells, which have caused tumors, convulsions, and patients to reject the cells when inserted".





39 posted on 10/25/2006 11:03:47 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Elsiejay

http://journals.bcdecker.com/pubs/JIM/volume%2054,%202006/issue%2001,%20January/JIM_2006_05043/JIM_2006_05043.pdf


40 posted on 10/26/2006 6:21:00 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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