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A key poll to watch in terms of generic ballot numbers (UPDATED)
National Review Online ^ | 10/23 04:40 PM | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 10/23/2006 3:45:26 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan

Bad, bad news for Republicans. Gallup's generic ballot poll conducted Oct. 21-22, shows Democrats are in the lead — 49 percent to 46 percent. A lead this late means that they're almost certain to pick up seats, and that time is running out for... No, no, wait, that's from Oct. 21-22, 2002. Nevermind.

On the "Polling Weirdness" front, I give you the Florida governor's race, where State Attorney General Charlie Crist, the Republican, only leads U.S. Rep. Jim Davis, the Democrat 46 to 44 among likely voters, according to Quinnipiac...

Or Crist is winning a blowout, 54 percent to 36 percent, according to a poll conducted by The Cromer Group, a Washington-based Democratic firm.

Hm. It's either a 2 point lead, or an 18 point lead.

Looking elsewhere, some interesting numbers out of the Southwest today.

In J.D. Hayworth's race, a poll by a Democratic firm puts the incumbent only up by one. But the margin of error is five points, kinda large for my tastes. The only other poll this month has Hayworth up 3, so I suspect that Hayworth is up by single digits, less than he would like, but is still on track to keep his seat.

Then in the race some on the Corner are calling a belwether for control of the House, incumbent Republican Heather Wilson is down, 42 percent to 45 percent. But that's a dramatic improvement from a Survey USA poll last week that had her down 8, and an RT Strategies/ Constituent Dynamics one from earlier that had her down 8. My guess? Wilson's down but well within the margin of error and more than enough time to make up the gap. She's going to need every resource she can get, and the state GOP's get-out-the-vote efforts need to bring their A-game.

UPDATED AGAIN: A Sixers reader noted this - the RT Strategies/Constituent Dynamics poll in Ohio's 15th District has men preferring the Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy to the Republican Deborah Pryce 55 percent to 40 percent?

I realize Pryce is seen as a particularly vulnerable incumbent, but the traditional GOP advantage with men not only disappeared, it reversed itself by 15 points? Either it's a wild, wacky year, or the polls in these House races are, despite pollsters' best efforts, picking up some odd samples.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2006; pollspollspolls
Either it's a wild, wacky year, or the polls in these House races are, despite pollsters' best efforts, picking up some odd samples.

That deserves repeating.

1 posted on 10/23/2006 3:45:28 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: ElkGroveDan


Excellent post!

BTTT


2 posted on 10/23/2006 3:47:29 PM PDT by onyx (We have two political parties: the American Party and the Anti-American Party.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
despite pollsters' best efforts

And THAT deserves some skepticism.

3 posted on 10/23/2006 3:47:36 PM PDT by The Blitherer (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: ElkGroveDan

;-) Where the polling does not tally to 100% per race, the assumption has been to toss the undecideds to Dems. That's an easy one to ID. The other observation is that sampling can't be as reliable now that caller ID screens out so many attempts to poll. One poll got only 20% response, and who knows if that poll was doing better than others?


4 posted on 10/23/2006 3:49:27 PM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Check out my new tagline.


5 posted on 10/23/2006 3:52:36 PM PDT by Crawdad (Current polling methods will be considered obsolete on November 8, 2006.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

You would think that if the pollsters REALLY wanted to help the Dems, they would keep them 3-5 points DOWN so the Dems would stay energized to push across the finish line.

What does it tell you that the Dems need to hear that they are winning before they believe they might win?


6 posted on 10/23/2006 4:01:07 PM PDT by Tall_Texan ("Journalislam" - reporting about murderous extremists as if they are moral equivalents.)
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To: saveliberty
The other observation is that sampling can't be as reliable now that caller ID screens out so many attempts to poll. One poll got only 20% response

Purely anecdotal, but the only people I know who do not have caller ID are very senior citizen, all but one lifelong, straight ticket democrats.

7 posted on 10/23/2006 4:03:29 PM PDT by Eroteme
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I'm a wonk. I record debates and certain shows before elections. It is unreal how in 2000, 2002 and 2004 that we had in depth analysis from pollsters and even Barrone stating that the generic ballot ALWAYS leans dim by 12 to 15% on average. They also stated that it has never been a trustworthy measure of Senate or House races. All of a sudden it is the Gospel According to John.

Sorry... I do not buy it!

LLS
8 posted on 10/23/2006 4:08:42 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Eroteme

That may be, but there are a lot of conservative seniors.


9 posted on 10/23/2006 4:10:25 PM PDT by saveliberty (I'm a Bushbot and a Snowflake :-)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Maybe some of it has to do with the fact that I always tell political pollsters the opposite of what I intend to do.


10 posted on 10/23/2006 4:13:35 PM PDT by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: ElkGroveDan

I don't believe the polls from where I live, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are wrong all over the country.


11 posted on 10/23/2006 4:15:49 PM PDT by Alfonso1000
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To: ElkGroveDan
Gallup's generic ballot poll conducted Oct. 21-22, shows Democrats are in the lead

What relevance does a "generic" ballot have this late in the game? Why not poll specific races?

12 posted on 10/23/2006 4:16:07 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Too expensive to poll in many all (or even most) of all 435 districts.


13 posted on 10/23/2006 4:29:54 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: The Blitherer

11th Commandant: Put not your faith in polls, but vote.


14 posted on 10/23/2006 4:42:45 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: ElkGroveDan

People are lying to them.


15 posted on 10/23/2006 6:49:26 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: ElkGroveDan

This is very good news. If the Gallup is now just - 3, this means we are closing fast.


16 posted on 10/24/2006 4:23:18 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (DON'T BELIEVE PESSIMISM: FEELINGS ARE FOR LOVE SONGS. FACTS ARE FOR PREDICTING WHO WINS IN NOV)
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