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Sea Scouts Might Fold After High Court Passes [Berkeley Boy Scout affiliate]
Berkeley Daily Planet ^ | October 21, 2006 | Riya Bhattacharjee

Posted on 10/21/2006 11:17:08 AM PDT by freedomdefender

The U.S. Supreme Court’s refusal on Monday to review a ruling that allows the City of Berkeley to deny the Sea Scouts a free dock at the Marina because of its discrimination against gays and atheists could spell the end for the 74-year-old sailing group. “The city is choosing to punish us for something that is no fault of ours. The power to tax is the power to destroy,” said Gene Evans, skipper of the Sea Scout Boat at the Berkeley Marina.

The city however denies that it is punishing anyone.

“If the city is going to fund a community program for the public, then we have a right to require that the program does not discriminate against anyone,” said Berkeley City Attorney Manuela Albuquerque. “The Sea Scouts are part of an organization which requires that you exclude gays and atheists. They were not able to demonstrate that they did not discriminate against these two groups and were therefore denied free access to the berths.”

The Sea Scouts are bound to the policies of their parent body, the Boy Scouts of America, which mandates that gays and atheists be excluded from the organization.

“We are so far down the chain,” Evans said. “We don’t even have the hope of ever having any effect on the Boy Scouts’ policies. The Boy Scouts of America is a huge non-profit corporation and the board of directors make all the decisions. We have absolutely no control over it.”

Although the city had allowed the Sea Scouts free birth space since the 1930s, its subsidy was revoked after the city adopted a nondiscrimination policy on the use of the marina in 1997.

Monday’s ruling on the case, titled Evans v. City of Berkeley, allows Berkeley to treat the Sea Scouts differently from other non-profits because of their ban on atheists and gays.

“It’s just not fair that the Sea Scouts are being excluded from the use of a public program because of ideological reasons,” said Pacific Legal Foundation attorney Harold Johnson, who is co-counsel to the case. “According to the First Amendment and equal protection law the government cannot prohibit them from participating in public programs on equal basis with other non-profits. The Berkeley Sea Scouts have never been accused of excluding anyone from their group. Their only crime is that they are associated with the Boy Scouts and refuse to disavow their policies. They are the ones being discriminated against.”

Albuquerque defended the city’s decision to deny funds to the group.

“The first Amendment does not require us to fund groups which practice discriminatory policies, be it racial, religious or sexual,” she said. “If the Sea Scouts can demonstrate to us in writing that they will not discriminate then the city is ready to fund them. But they are not able to do so.”

Evans said it was sad that the city would treat the Sea Scouts this way since it had helped put the Berkeley Marina together in the first place.

“Way back in 1936, during the Great Depression, Berkeley was going through a terrible economic growth,” Evans said. “The Berkeley City Council decided to use funds from the National Recovery Organization to build a Marina that would give local citizens some work. They had funds to pay the workers but no funds to buy rock. The city negotiated with the Boy Scouts and agreed to give them six berths in exchange of 80,000 tons of rock to build the Marina. The Boy Scouts never changed their policy even though Berkeley adopted a non-discrimination policy on the use of the marina. Somehow we got caught up in the controversy and since we are close to the Boy Scouts the city chose to punish us.”

Ever since the city began charging the Sea Scouts for the berth at the Marina, Evans has been paying $500 a month.

“The overall enrollment has been affected by the cost of the berth,” he said. “Earlier we had been able to afford outreach programs where we could support kids who weren’t able to pay the membership fees. But we cannot do that anymore. We hold no hard feelings against anybody and respect everybody’s ideas. However, this has been an effort by a small group of boys to try to provide a service to the city and we have had tremendous opposition through no fault of our own.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: berkeley; boyscouts; bsa; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; scouts; seascouts
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1 posted on 10/21/2006 11:17:09 AM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

I wonder if a Mooslum program, would qualify as discriminatory?


2 posted on 10/21/2006 11:20:31 AM PDT by jeremiah (Our military are not "fodder", but fathers and mothers and sons and daughters.)
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To: freedomdefender

Why can't these scouts start meeting at a church or something ?

Oh right this is CA nevermind.


3 posted on 10/21/2006 11:20:48 AM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: freedomdefender

HMM. If he is part of an organization, regardless of how low, he should support it, IMO.


4 posted on 10/21/2006 11:21:04 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: jeremiah
I wonder if a Mooslum program, would qualify as discriminatory?

Nah they cut off everybody's head without regard for age, gender or sexual preference.
5 posted on 10/21/2006 11:21:59 AM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: jeremiah
I wonder if a Mooslum program, would qualify as discriminatory?

I don't know. Ask Rep. Foley.

6 posted on 10/21/2006 11:27:45 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: festus
Why can't these scouts start meeting at a church or something ?

How many churches have boat slips?

7 posted on 10/21/2006 11:29:12 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: freedomdefender
"Discrimination", in the way the City of Berkeley is using it, seems to imply that the Sea Scouts policy is highly-biased without sound reason.

However, in the case & nature of Homosexuals, the Sea Scouts obviously are not "excluding with bias";
they just won't accept any person whose standards are incompatible with the Sea Scouts.
So...the Sea Scouts are another victim of CA PC-propaganda.

8 posted on 10/21/2006 11:29:47 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: jeremiah

Muslims are welcome in the Boy Scouts. They have their own special religious merit badges just like Christians (both Catholic and Protestant) and Jews do.


9 posted on 10/21/2006 11:30:39 AM PDT by reg45
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To: freedomdefender
Although the city had allowed the Sea Scouts free birth space since the 1930s, ...

Forgive me lack of knowledge about the sea and all, but shouldn't that be "free berth space" or is this a totally different organization than I'm thinking of??

10 posted on 10/21/2006 11:31:19 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Well ok there is that..............


11 posted on 10/21/2006 11:31:21 AM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: festus

All the Sea scouts have to do is start bashing Christians and all will be forgiven of them.


12 posted on 10/21/2006 11:32:36 AM PDT by CottShop (http://sacredscoop.com)
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To: freedomdefender

"“We are so far down the chain,” Evans said. “We don’t even have the hope of ever having any effect on the Boy Scouts’ policies. The Boy Scouts of America is a huge non-profit corporation and the board of directors make all the decisions. We have absolutely no control over it.'"
Sad to see this guy being apologetic about an appropriate BSA policy, and whining about it on top of that.

Even sadder to see what the Libs are willing to do, destroy the Sea Scouts, to enforce their will upon a private group. And here I thought Liberals were all about "the children".


13 posted on 10/21/2006 11:32:45 AM PDT by Robwin
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To: festus
Why can't these scouts start meeting at a church or something ?

These are Sea Scouts, they study nautical (as opposed to wilderness) skills. Therefore they need access to the water.

14 posted on 10/21/2006 11:33:03 AM PDT by reg45
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To: freedomdefender
What we need is a rich conservative to buy a couple of slips and donate them to the scouts to use. It would be a great thing to do both for the kids and to listen to the left b#tch about not getting their way. Rich libs donate to causes like this, we need to find someone on our side to start doing the same.
15 posted on 10/21/2006 11:37:07 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: freedomdefender

"The city negotiated with the Boy Scouts and agreed to give them six berths in exchange of 80,000 tons of rock to build the Marina.

Breach of contract. City must pay for use of 80,000 tons of rock since 1936.


16 posted on 10/21/2006 11:38:23 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: freedomdefender

I knew it was not going to be good just by the name Berkeley.


17 posted on 10/21/2006 11:41:10 AM PDT by Creationist (If the earth is old show me your proof. Salvation from the judgment of your sins is free.)
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To: festus

Yup. California is a very intolerant state.


18 posted on 10/21/2006 11:42:10 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Abathar

That was one of the things that bothered me about this thread. The Salvation Army has it right. They tell me when one door closes God opens another. I believe the SC erred here but it will work out well for the Boy Scouts in the end, if they stand their ground.


19 posted on 10/21/2006 11:42:50 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Tanniker Smith
Forgive me lack of knowledge about the sea and all, but shouldn't that be "free berth space"...

Traditionally, you would be correct. A boat belongs in a berth. Well, you can't expect too much these days from an MSM drone writer!

20 posted on 10/21/2006 11:47:18 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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