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I fused three of your posts into one.

But the fact that you are careful to beware of potential problems for your individual patients, doesn't change the reality that some abortion doctors don't do that.

And it doesn't change the reality that the patients of some of those doctors would still be alive today, if they hadn't sought an abortion.

Having a mortality rate of less than 1 out of 100,000 suggests that by far most doctors performing abortions must be very careful. I don't know how familiar you are with the average mortality of typical surgical cases, but even 1 out of 100,000 is a very low number. Is it perfect? No, of course not, but there is nothing perfect in the science (and practice) of medicine. We, as in "we mankind" are not there yet.

And just so you understand some surgical death rates, here is a bit of surprise for you. Did you know that the same number (mortality rate) is around 244 for something as "simple" as an appendectomy? That is the same number which is 1 (or less than 1) for abortions. Shocking, isn't it?

And it doesn't change the reality that the patients of some of those doctors would still be alive today, if they hadn't sought an abortion

If you address any individual case, yes, you could be right. If you address the 1.5 million abortions every year, out of those less women died then if they would have all carried their pregnancies to term. That is the sad reality. Did you know for example, that before the days of modern medicine, infant mortality rate was over 300 out of 1000? That is more than one out of every four babies! If you don't believe it, somewhere I even have a graph about that, but I have to find it on my computer.

Having the right doctor can make a big difference.
Many years back I complained when we moved, because I was pregnant and would have to be under the care of a different doctor. About the time my baby was delivered via C-Section (placenta praevia) a woman, who was under the care of my former HMO, bled to death. After that, I was grateful I was under the care of a different obstetrician.

Well....I think you probably could be grateful to your luck. Obstetricians who have multiple death cases, won't practice very long. Matters are aggravated by people (in this case women) putting too much trust in modern medicine. They think that they can do anything risky, "the doctor will fix the [bad] outcome anyway". Most of the times they can, once in a while they can't. People (in this case women) believe that "they have the right" to be stupid and ignorant, and rack up risky behavior and still "have the right" to have a normal pregnancy and a healthy baby. The approach is sometimes infuriating for the doctor.

You didn't reply to my question of whether you approve of the statement..."In a good number of cases, a woman's choice to have an abortion set up the circumstances that led to her death."

Indirectly I replied. Directly, examining any given case, yes, you can make such conclusion, but knowing all the factors it would be still an erroneous conclusion. Because yes, given Jane Q. Doe, who died in the abortion (or whatever consequence of thereof) may have had a totally normal pregnancy and no problem at all. But when you are talking about abortions in general, such conclusion would be very misleading, knowing the statistics. Because the average Jane Doe is much more likely to die as a result of an ordinary pregnancy, than die as the result of an abortion.

You can lump together the deaths of hundreds of people who are in auto accidents every year, even though

Some people die because the have faulty tires on their vehicles.
Some people die because a mechanic didn't really fix the problem with the brakes.
Some die because their car stalls on a busy freeway.
etc.

Lumping all the causes together doesn't tell much and doesn't save lives.

It depends what and how you lump together and what you intend to measure with the statistics. If, for example, you compare the overall safety of automobiles with bicycles, yes, it is fair to lump together the various reasons which leads to deadly results. Let those be the reasons you listed for the cars, and let those be broken chain, flat tire, busted brake on bicycles.

Gabor

For ease of discussion, I'll deal with individual points from your most recent post.

If you address any individual case, yes, you could be right. If you address the 1.5 million abortions every year, out of those less women died then if they would have all carried their pregnancies to term

I'd go along with your thinking. I'd reconsider the big picture, rather than considering individual cases, but I am a realist. I am a woman. (Are you?)

There's a glaring fallacy in the statistics you've presented.

If abortion on-demand was not available, we would not have an additional 1.5 million pregnancies carried to term.

I'll rephrase what I am saying, to make my point clear to those, who might be lurking,..

If all women carried their pregnancies to term, there would not be 1.5 million more pregnancies per year, than we currently have.

Proaborts downplay the very real likelihood that mere fact that abortion is legal increases the chances of a woman becoming pregnant in the first place.

If abortion were not legal, many women who do not wish to be pregnant would take steps to avoid becoming pregnant in the first place

If abortion were not legal, women could not become pregnant 2 times within 9 months, as they can easily do nowdays.

If abortion were not legal, women who carried their babies to term and do not wish to have more children would be less likely to become pregnant again.

I think a humorist once said, "The most effective birth control method is being pregnant."

Matters are aggravated by people (in this case women) putting too much trust in modern medicine.

Might some women and teenage girls, who have this thought in the back of their mind,

"If I get pregnant, I can always have an abortion,"

fit into your category of "putting too much trust in modern medicine"?

For example, teen age girls who consider abortion an option, might more carelessly get pregnant, then decide to bear the baby, then die from failure to seek medical care.

My husband just pointed out that he thinks men would take more responsibility for birth control, if they knew abortion was not an easy "fix" for their "problem."

That's another reason why

there would be fewer annual pregnancies, in the first place,
if abortions-on-demand were not so easy to obtain.