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FRANCE: Why 112 cars are burning every day
The Times ^ | October 21, 2006 | Charles Bremner

Posted on 10/20/2006 4:10:20 PM PDT by MadIvan

A year after the Paris riots violence and despair remain endemic in the rundown suburbs

FLAMES lick around a burning car on a tiny telephone screen. Omar, 17, a veteran of France’s suburban riots, replayed the sequence with pride. “It was great. We did lots of them and then we went out and torched more the next day.”

Omar, whose parents immigrated from Mali, was savouring memories of the revolt that erupted 12 months ago from his home, the Chêne Pointu estate in Clichy-sous-Bois, in the eastern outskirts of Paris. “We’re ready for it again. In fact it hasn’t stopped,” he added.

Before next week’s anniversary of the Clichy riots, the violence and despair on the estates are again to the fore. Despite a promised renaissance, little has changed, and the lid could blow at any moment.

The figures are stark. An average of 112 cars a day have been torched across France so far this year and there have been 15 attacks a day on police and emergency services. Nearly 3,000 police officers have been injured in clashes this year. Officers have been badly injured in four ambushes in the Paris outskirts since September. Some police talk of open war with youths who are bent on more than vandalism.

“The thing that has changed over the past month is that they now want to kill us,” said Bruno Beschizza, the leader of Synergie, a union to which 40 per cent of officers belong. Action Police, a hardline union, said: “We are in a civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists.”

Car-burning has become so routine on the estates that it has been eclipsed in news coverage by the violence against police. Sebastian Roche, a sociologist who has published a book on the riots, said that torching a vehicle had become a standard amusement. “There is an apprenticeship of destruction. Kids learn where the petrol tank is, how to make a petrol bomb,” he told The Times.

Nicolas Sarkozy, the Interior Minister who hopes to win the presidency next May, has once again taken the offensive, staging raids on the no-go areas and promising no mercy for the thugs who reign there.

With polls showing law and order as the top public concern, his presidential chances hang on his image as a tough cop.

M Sarkozy’s muscular approach is being challenged not just by Socialist opponents. President Chirac and Dominique de Villepin, his Prime Minister, are waging their own, softer, campaign to undermine the colleague whom they do not want to be president. M de Villepin called in community leaders this week and promised to accelerate hundreds of millions of pounds of measures that were promised last autumn to relieve the plight of the immigrant-dominated suburbs.

National politics seem far from Clichy, a leafy town of hulking apartment buildings only ten miles but a universe away from the Elysée Palace. However, the Interior Minister is cited by the estate youths as the symbol of their anger. “Sarko wants to wipe us out, clear us off the map,” said Rachid, 19. “They said they would help us after last year, but we’ve got nothing.”

Rachid is to attend a march next Friday for Zyed and Bouna, the teenagers whose deaths in an electrical station sparked the rioting that engulfed the Seine-Saint-Denis département, known from its registration number, 93, as le Neuf-Trois. The boys, aged 17 and 15, who were hiding from police when they were electrocuted, are seen in Clichy as martyrs. Amor Benna, 61, the Tunisian father of Zyed, appealed this week to the young to refrain from violence and use their votes for change. “I don’t want to see cars burning again,” he said from his home on the Chêne Pointu estate. But the unhappiness was understandable, said M Benna, a street cleaner. “The young were born here and they are French. But they have nothing. The real problem is work. If they had any these riots would not have happened.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: changedirection; doyousmellsmoke; enemywithin; eurabia; fifthcolumn; france; islam; jihad; muslims; quagmire; religionofpeace; rioting; rop; schadenfreude; swine; theregoesmybus
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To: MadIvan
Why is this happening? Because they don't have what they need:


41 posted on 10/20/2006 4:47:03 PM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" for the Unborn Child)
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To: BlessedBeGod

They probably do-but they've already surrenedered.


42 posted on 10/20/2006 4:48:49 PM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: MadIvan
Silver Lining:

There's gold in them Citroens. 44,800 cars to smash per year. Not bad for scrap metal dealers.

43 posted on 10/20/2006 4:48:54 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: 2111USMC
Has socialism destroyed their society to the point that they have given up on being free men?

Yes. More than 60 years ago, that was established.

44 posted on 10/20/2006 4:49:42 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: MadIvan
The french socialist government is trying to feel the pain of the muslims and ignore them at the same time. Sounds like CLinton politics again and again.

The libs want us to be like france - ignore the terror and damage and fiddle on (like nero) while Paris and the USA burn.

45 posted on 10/20/2006 4:51:43 PM PDT by x_plus_one
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To: Republicus2001
You could have bought a Citroen 2CV and had a worse one.
46 posted on 10/20/2006 4:54:09 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: MadIvan

Hey Mad,

I find your attitude to continental Europe somewhat childish...

We are all in this, you know.

Cheers.


47 posted on 10/20/2006 4:58:54 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: MadIvan

What about all the gases released? What about Global Warming? How come I wonder don't these scuzz-balls feel WELCOME?


48 posted on 10/20/2006 4:59:33 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Eurotwit
I'd feel the same if the Continent didn't hold us in contempt; I lived there, I know they do.

I don't lecture you on what to say or think, kindly reciprocate.

Ivan

49 posted on 10/20/2006 5:00:27 PM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: BlessedBeGod
The French don't realize they're at war.

Seems the Continent has two options: 1) continue to snooze, and die in their sleep or 2) wake up and go down swinging.

I don't think that they have the option of returning to the status quo ante, at this point, at least in the Low Countries and most of France.

50 posted on 10/20/2006 5:00:33 PM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: Chode
kinda sounds like Bagdad without the IEDs...

Yet.

51 posted on 10/20/2006 5:01:52 PM PDT by null and void (Age and experience -- It makes no sense to get one without the other. - Sundog)
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To: melt
Image hosted by Photobucket.com wonder what insurance costs...???
52 posted on 10/20/2006 5:03:14 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: MadIvan

I can't help, but try to give advice.

There are many good people from France. Republicain is one of them. You would want him in with shoulder to shoulder if it really comes to blows.

And, btw, Ivan, you know your grandfather's country, don't try to tell us to shut up....

I don't think you have any idea how much England and the UK is loved in Scandinavia. If the England was calling me to help, I would gather as many Norwegians with me as I could I
and go and die for the Union Jack.

You have no idea, Mad Ivan, for the love that exists in Norway for England and the UK.

Cheers.


53 posted on 10/20/2006 5:06:19 PM PDT by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: melt

Heck, its easy to burn 112 cars a day when they're all stacked on top of one another like that...


54 posted on 10/20/2006 5:07:27 PM PDT by 1forall (America - my home, my land, my country.)
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To: Eurotwit
I'm not talking about Norway. I am talking about France. If this was about Norway, I'd be speaking much differently.

The thing is, I make distinctions between countries on the Continent. I don't regard them as one lumpen whole. Norway I'd defend. France, I won't.

Regards, Ivan

55 posted on 10/20/2006 5:09:12 PM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Thanks for the ping, Ivan. I had no idea this was still going on. I'm betting Sarko will be elected, overwhelmingly.

Seriously, I hope that we in the US realize what we're in for, if we elect some bleeping bleep like Kerry.


56 posted on 10/20/2006 5:15:27 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: SkyPilot
FRANCE: Why 112 cars are burning every day

The idiot left MSM and pols in this country think we'd be better off if we lose in Iraq.

57 posted on 10/20/2006 5:15:27 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Judith Anne
I'd be very cautious in saying that Sarko is going to win; I still think Segolene Royal is going to be their next president, sadly.

Regards, Ivan

58 posted on 10/20/2006 5:17:30 PM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: John Lenin
"Oriana Fallaci "

RIP Oriana RIP.

59 posted on 10/20/2006 5:22:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: Chode
wonder what insurance costs...???

France must be the only country on Earth, where they make you buy Fire Insurance for your car.

60 posted on 10/20/2006 5:23:15 PM PDT by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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