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China Tells Kim Not To Carry Out Second Nuclear test
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 10-20-2006 | Richard Spencer

Posted on 10/19/2006 6:33:24 PM PDT by blam

China tells Kim not to carry out second nuclear test

By Richard Spencer in Beijing
Last Updated: 1:54am BST 20/10/2006

China delivered a blunt message to North Korea yesterday when it told its leader, Kim Jong-il, that he must not proceed with a second nuclear weapons test.

After China's state media suggested for the first time that Beijing might sever North Korea's oil supplies, a move which could conceivably precipitate the collapse of Kim's regime, a senior envoy arrived in Pyongyang to hand down a "personal message" from China's president, Hu Jintao.

Condoleezza Rice and South Korean foreign minister Ban Ki-moon in Seoul

China did not confirm what the message said, but American officials said they believed it to be a strongly worded warning.

The pressure from Kim's powerful neighbour appeared to be part of a co-ordinated international attempt to threaten him to come into line.

It came as Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, arrived in the South Korean capital, Seoul, to reinforce the United States' own threat that it would seek to toughen sanctions agreed at the United Nations if North Korea went ahead with a second test.

Miss Rice said negotiations were still possible, but added of the Chinese diplomat's visit: "I hope [China] has been successful in saying to North Korea that there is really only one path, which is denuclearisation and dismantlement of its programmes."

advertisementSatellite pictures this week spotted signs of activity around the site of last week's test, leading to suggestions that a second might be imminent. Kim has shown no signs of bowing to pressure other than agreeing to the meeting yesterday.

Kim's meeting with Tang Jiaxuan, a Chinese state councillor and former foreign minister, was his first with any representative of the outside world since North Korea conducted its test last week.

That he agreed to meet Mr Tang could be a sign that he is starting to feel pressure from the international community. He has been known to snub even senior Chinese leaders. "It's a sign that they are at least engaging," said one western diplomat.

But an official travelling with Miss Rice said: "Our understanding is that the North Koreans have not been in the mood to return to talks. If anything they are looking to escalate the crisis further."

The meeting was confirmed by both the Chinese and North Korean sides. "Discussed were the issues of developing the relations of friendship between the two countries and ensuring peace and security on the Korean Peninsula," was the bland report of the meeting by the Korean Central News Agency.

The Chinese foreign ministry did not give details of the meeting's outcome, but said: "This is a very significant visit, against the backdrop of major changes on the Korean Peninsula."

A spokesman did not say what China thought those changes were, but the two countries are formally allied, committed to coming to each other's defence if either is attacked. Since the same spokesman queried a journalist's use of the term "ally" last week,

Chinese academics have been wondering whether this relationship can continue. "I think the alliance is over, to be replaced by something like 'normal friendly relations'," said one.

A sign of serious deterioration in the relationship was provided by the overseas edition of the Communist Party mouthpiece, People's Daily.

"North Korea's nuclear test touched China's warning line," said the paper. "If North Korea doesn't cease from behaviour that might worsen the situation… China might stop providing oil and grain to North Korea."

The threat was contributed by a senior researcher at a government think-tank. Although it represented his personal opinion, the newspaper has historically been used by the party to hint at changes of policy and the piece was unlikely to have been published without serious consideration of its implications.

Three years ago, China briefly cut off North Korea's supplies of oil, of which it provides about 90 per cent, to persuade it to join talks on its nuclear weapons programme. China is also thought to provide half of North Korea's grain imports.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; korea; nuclear; weapons
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To: blam

Looks like "the worst secretary of state in American history, Condi Rice" (according to Michael Savage) is making some progress in her trip to NE asia.


21 posted on 10/19/2006 7:01:09 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: CougarGA7
"But China has the power to cut Kim off at the knees."

China is the only reasonable solution to the NK problem.

NK, Pakistan and Iran have the Chinese bomb design.

22 posted on 10/19/2006 7:01:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Hugo Chavez will offer to help for "humanitarian" reasons.


23 posted on 10/19/2006 7:02:11 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Sounds like China now knows a loos cannon loaded with a nuke is bad for business.

Kim is like a rabid dog, with his master loading the shotgun.

Good buy Old Yeller, booooom!


24 posted on 10/19/2006 7:04:45 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: blam
China is the only reasonable solution to the NK problem.

NK, Pakistan and Iran have the Chinese bomb design.

Which tells me that Red China doesn't want to solve the NK problem (unless, of course, they have lost control of Krazy Kim).

25 posted on 10/19/2006 7:07:00 PM PDT by steveegg (Let's make the deeply-saddened Head KOmmie deeply soddened in Nov. - deny the 'RATs the election)
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To: blam
They should let Kim 'mentally" Ill test and then they should let us run a few test. We need to test our accuracy ...

I say if he wants nukes, we should air deliver him a few.

Better get Kim before he gets us.

That's what Ray Lewis, Genghis Khan, and George Washington (see the Hessians) would do.

Sack them before they sack us.


26 posted on 10/19/2006 7:07:09 PM PDT by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: Chode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tJBBpGUbNE


27 posted on 10/19/2006 7:09:08 PM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: blam
I will wait and see if master Clinton says anything or if Bill Richardson will take to the airwaves and say Mr. Il don't do it.
28 posted on 10/19/2006 7:10:39 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: pinkpanther111
Gotta understand how the Chinese think. Before they made this "blunt" and public statement, there would have been backchannel discussions telling DPRK to backoff. This clear public message either means that: 1) Kim has signaled that he'll back down, or 2) China is now making a real serious threat along the lines of, "knock it off or we'll end your rule".

China's not exactly on our side. They are their own side. They want to be top dog in Asia. The worst ending for them is to lose control of DPRK. That first test looks like a threat to us, ROK, and Japan, but to China it's a slap in the face.
29 posted on 10/19/2006 7:11:12 PM PDT by NYFriend
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To: blam

Some years ago I had speculated that the only way to get China's attention is the prospect of a re-armed Japan. I suspect that the recent shift in the Japanese political situation has affected diplomacy (i.e. Nothing will get China's attention quicker than a re-armed Japan--along with a revised Constitution).


30 posted on 10/19/2006 7:11:30 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: PA-RIVER
China was NOT the N.Korean propper.... N.Korea was a Soviet satellite nation until we under the Clintons adopted them.
31 posted on 10/19/2006 7:12:35 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: blam

While this might be a good warning, does anyone really believe that it will have any effect on Kim? The man is obviously insane and seems to be begging for someone to wage war on his country. There is no way possible to reason with someone so irrational. It is a sad reflection on the people of North Korea that there is not a single person with enough courage to get rid of him.


32 posted on 10/19/2006 7:14:49 PM PDT by Lorraine
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To: Gay State Conservative
Gee,I wonder what the Chinese might be telling Kim Mentally Ill *privately*.

OK here is the plan. We don't like the USA anymore than you do, but we have to keep up an appearance of being cooperative with them.

So we will give the appearance of cracking down on you, and you can then go to Iran and sell them a nuclear bomb or two, or at least sell them the technology on how to make one. A supply of money and oil from Iran will keep you in business. - tom

33 posted on 10/19/2006 7:16:45 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: blam
NK is a puppet of China. China only has words. They have no action.

They best I remember from China was for a day or two they cut off the oil going to NK. If China was serious, they would shut it off and leave it off until they have Kim's total attention.

But they are not serious towards NK because NK is their puppet.
34 posted on 10/19/2006 7:17:48 PM PDT by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: blam
The little ahole can't hear.
35 posted on 10/19/2006 7:20:40 PM PDT by b4its2late (I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.)
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To: NYFriend

with your insight, add this.China surely has their
John Wilkes Booth planted in NK. If the nutbag is actually
over the edge and intends to test again,he's out physically
or he is repremended all meaning it's China's play not NK

So the real demon in the stream is about to show
her hand.


36 posted on 10/19/2006 7:23:52 PM PDT by advertising guy
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To: blam
I have something I want to ask L'il Kim. Hey L'il Kim, remember back when North Korea invaded South Korea? And do you remember that when the South Koreans called for help they got it? My question is this:

"If China invades you, who are you going to call?"

37 posted on 10/19/2006 7:28:13 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: lesser_satan

Kim Jong-il is so delusional that he probably thinks that he is God, and with a few nukes he could rule the world. He obviously is totally unaware that the US has a reputed 250 plus nuclear devices ready to go. Many of these “Nukes” are on subs stationed near his coast.

If this little bastard had any smarts, he would either keep his mouth shut and enjoy his dictatorship (hoping his subjects don’t rebel) until his demise or ask another country to accept him and his money.


38 posted on 10/19/2006 7:29:02 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: blam

This is a slam dunk for Condi and the US.

By now Condi has explained the following to Chinese authorities:

Are you having trouble controlling your rogue state North Korea?

What a coincidence! We are also having trouble controlling our rogue democracies.

It looks like Japan may also prolif.

Who knows rogue South Korea may also prolif.

It looks like Taiwan also has some interests in this area. And as you know, it is very hard to control these rogue states. END OF COMMUNICATION

Rest assured, China has gotten the message and Kim Jong Il's days are numbered. I would not rule out Chinese assasination. Cutting of the oil is probably the mildest of solutions.


39 posted on 10/19/2006 7:39:38 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: lonestar67

Anyone remember the "train accident" a few years ago, where the Dear Leadeer's train blew up, but he wasn't on it, or some such?


40 posted on 10/19/2006 7:45:17 PM PDT by 50sDad (The GOP dumped Foley, the Dems kept Clinton. See the difference?)
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