Minutemen Denied Permit To Assemble

Yakima Herald Republic ^

[Howlin]

I was just wondering the same thing; since when did "budget concerns" have anything at all to do with whether the people have the right to assemble and speak their piece?

Basically what they are saying is if anybody objects to your being there they can deny your right because it might cost too much?

I don't think so.

[BigFinn]

I don't need a permit if I have a gathering on my property.

[beltfed308]

Some places you do. Being a political gathering as opposed to a family gathering.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Basically what they are saying is if anybody objects to your being there they can deny your right because it might cost too much?

Yes, they can deny you the use of their facilities if it would risk busting the municipal budget.

[SeaBiscuit]

"It's a double-edged sword. If we allow them to meet and someone gets hurt, we'll be blamed. And if we don't let them meet, people will say we're discriminating against them,"

So it seems you choose to discriminate against the Minute Men in favor of the Protestors.

[Wings-n-Wind]

Just meet on public property... spontaneously...outdoors... in plain sight.

Careful with the P.A./music/noise ordnances -- just meet in the park or in front of city hall...

Mayhaps they weill see it is better to permit them to meet inside in public spaces...

If they go nazi... and try to forbid the peaceable assembly.. and/or the redress of grievances...

Cry havoc ---> loose the dogs of courtroom drama...

IMHO

[dirtboy]

"It's a double-edged sword. If we allow them to meet and someone gets hurt, we'll be blamed. And if we don't let them meet, people will say we're discriminating against them," he said.

No, we'll say you're too chicken-sh** to stand up to mobs that seek to stifle basic Constitutional rights of the Minutemen to peaceably assemble.

[dirtboy]

They have every right to gather and speak elsewhere.

Try thinking through this a bit.

Because the Minutemen are threatened unlawfully, the town will not allow them to meet. What kind of message does that send?

Be MORE violent next time and you'll REALLY be able to stifle your opposition. That is why the town needs to stand up to the thugs, and call in help from the State Police if needed to arrest the thugs.

[dirtboy]

Yes, they can deny you the use of their facilities if it would risk busting the municipal budget.

Then call in the State Police to stand up to criminal intimidation. Or else we'll just get more if it by rewarding it.

[Howlin]

Bump.

[dirtboy]

"We would definitely be there," said Maria Cuebas of Aguilas De Norte. "Undocumented immigrants are protected by our Constitution, and no one has the right to detain another person.

No, FREEDOM OF PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY is protected by our Constitution. And your goons are trying to prevent such. Which is not a right, BUT A CRIME.

The State of Washington needs to crack down on this.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Then call in the State Police to stand up to criminal intimidation.

Problem: the municipality must then compensate the state government for the cost of the State Police coverage. The cost is still there. The usual rule of thumb is that the group requesting the facility covers the additional costs incurred, whatever their nature or their cause.

[JamesP81]

I don't need a permit if I have a gathering on my property.

In many places you do.

[beltfed308]

Yes, they can deny you the use of their facilities if it would risk busting the municipal budget.

Then the city should have thought about that before building a PUBLIC convention center with PUBLIC funds.

[dirtboy]

That's the last thing we need now. Whatever one's views might be on illegal immigration and the Minutemen, rewarding left-wing thug behavior by denying them a permit will only engender a lot more left-wing thug behavior.

[flutters]

This from their website:

Civic Center

This building is used for meetings, dances, and other activities. It can be rented and used by anyone. It has a kitchen and eating area too.

http://www.selah.k12.wa.us/PartnerLink97/AnsteyH/recreation.html

[dirtboy]

Problem: the municipality must then compensate the state government for the cost of the State Police coverage. The cost is still there. The usual rule of thumb is that the group requesting the facility covers the additional costs incurred, whatever their nature or their cause.

Funny, I don't recall the Klan getting billed for the police costs of one of their marches.

A critical role of government is to enforce basic Constitutional provisions. At all levels. Kowtowing to thugs is a gross abdication of such, and only encourages more of such. And that is the case no matter what you might feel about the Minutemen.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Then the city should have thought about that before building a PUBLIC convention center with PUBLIC funds.

That's a fairly idiotic argument.

The general rule of thumb is that if your event is likely to impose large unplanned costs on the municipality in question, your organization gets to cover those costs. Always has been, always will be.

[ArmstedFragg]

"But I would hope that this wouldn't erupt into anything violent or negative."

She said, checking the shine on her jack boots in the mirror.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Funny, I don't recall the Klan getting billed for the police costs of one of their marches.

And you would know the detailed bits and pieces of the Klan's budget because . . . ?

They get billed, at least around here. I once pulled overtime to protect Tommy Metzger's fat a$$ when he lived in Fallbrook and had a march down in San Diego. Yes, the KKK covered the costs.