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"Religion is fragmenting the human community," said Sam Harris

Actually two are, your secular atheism is one and Muhammad's death cult is the other, and you seem to be allied with one another against our Judeo-Christian culture.

1 posted on 10/18/2006 5:25:06 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 10/18/2006 5:25:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Is God dead? Atheism finds a market in U.S

Reuters, we all know who you speak for.

3 posted on 10/18/2006 5:26:04 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (* nuke * the * jihad *)
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5 posted on 10/18/2006 5:27:53 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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The fool says in his heart,
"There is no God."


6 posted on 10/18/2006 5:29:01 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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Bring it on baby! Light always overcomes the darkness.


7 posted on 10/18/2006 5:29:13 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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".......and the breakdown of church-state separation......."


OK, my BS meter just went off.


9 posted on 10/18/2006 5:30:50 PM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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Oh boy...Not another evolution thread. ;-)


10 posted on 10/18/2006 5:30:56 PM PDT by My2Cents (The Democrat Party's '06 platform: Offering a "Suicide Pact With America.")
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A greater number of "atheists" and "pagans" adopt the same hackneyed tenets of a faux Judaic-Christian ideal (golden calf). They also subscribe to the Judaic fetishism of "sin," but will fight to their death in denial of it.

Most of them are so wrapped up in their own polemics that they have become nothing more than pathetic anti-Christians with the same false hypocritical philosophy. They just slap a new label on it hoping nobody will notice - - they replace the idea of "avoiding sin" with "morals."

Morality and all of its associated ideals are rooted entirely in the presupposition some higher power defines what is correct for human behavior.

Today, "morals" are a religious pagan philosophy of esoteric hobgoblins. Transfiguration is a pantheon of fantasies as the medium of infinitization. Others get derision for having an unwavering Judaic belief in Yahweh or Yeshua, although their critics and enemies will evangelize insertion of phantasmagoric fetishisms into secular law.

11 posted on 10/18/2006 5:36:20 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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I'm starting to think that having a book on the New York Times best seller list is like getting a Nobel Peace Prize. It just don't mean $hit anymore.


13 posted on 10/18/2006 5:46:52 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
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a disappointment with God and with the church

Or simply don't need them.

14 posted on 10/18/2006 5:46:58 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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Religion is fragmenting the human community.

Interesting notion. Religion is generally what keeps a community together.
16 posted on 10/18/2006 5:47:30 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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Atheism = self-deception carried to the extreme!


20 posted on 10/18/2006 5:52:55 PM PDT by crghill
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Atheism finds a market in U.S

Agitators who know how to make a buck find a market in U.S.

24 posted on 10/18/2006 5:59:32 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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"Religion is fragmenting the human community," said Sam Harris, author of "Letter to a Christian Nation," No. 11 on the New York Times nonfiction list on October 15.

There is a "huge visibility and political empowerment of religion. President George W. Bush uses his first veto to deny funding for stem cell research and scientists everywhere are horrified," he said in an interview...

His "Letter," a blunt 96-page pocket-sized book condensing arguments against belief in quick-fire volleys, appeared on the Times list just ahead of "The God Delusion," by Richard Dawkins, a scientist at Oxford University and long-time atheist...

These are also probably some of the same people Harris says he's hearing from after his two books.

"Many, many readers feel utterly isolated in their communities," he said. "They are surrounded by cult members, from their point of view, and are unable to disclose their feelings."

"I get a lot of e-mail just expressing incredible relief that they are not alone ...

Uh, if Harris is right, we are ALL quite, quite alone. So "lonely" atheist, stop whining and take it like the random, pointless freak of a mindless, meaningless universe that you believe yourself to be.

29 posted on 10/18/2006 6:12:05 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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Proof positive Ann Coulter is right: liberals relish being godless!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

36 posted on 10/18/2006 6:35:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Sam Harris wrote the Secular Jihad Bible. Leave God out of America. Godlessness is fundamental to the faith of the Church Of Liberalism.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

38 posted on 10/18/2006 6:38:37 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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The DBM have been pusing atheism since Time published a cover story titled "God is Dead" back in the 1960s.


39 posted on 10/18/2006 6:39:04 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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CHICAGO (Reuters) - A fresh wave of atheistic books has hit the market this autumn, some climbing onto best-seller lists in what proponents see as a backlash against the way religion is entwined in politics.

Atheism IS a religion, or worldview. It does not get a pass just because it elevates man to position of God. The playing field is level.

40 posted on 10/18/2006 6:40:11 PM PDT by Lexinom (www.VoteYesForLife.com -- the only chance?)
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Atheism sells bumperstickers, just like other useless things do, say, the Oakland Raiders. That's all there's too it!


44 posted on 10/18/2006 6:49:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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Faith Does Breed Charity
We atheists have to accept that most believers are better human beings. Roy Hattersley

Hurricane Katrina did not stay on the front pages for long. Yesterday's Red Cross appeal for an extra 40,000 volunteer workers was virtually ignored.

The disaster will return to the headlines when one sort of newspaper reports a particularly gruesome discovery or another finds additional evidence of President Bush's negligence. But month after month of unremitting suffering is not news. Nor is the monotonous performance of the unpleasant tasks that relieve the pain and anguish of the old, the sick and the homeless - the tasks in which the Salvation Army specialise.

The Salvation Army has been given a special status as provider-in-chief of American disaster relief. But its work is being augmented by all sorts of other groups. Almost all of them have a religious origin and character.

Notable by their absence are teams from rationalist societies, free thinkers' clubs and atheists' associations - the sort of people who not only scoff at religion's intellectual absurdity but also regard it as a positive force for evil.

The arguments against religion are well known and persuasive. Faith schools, as they are now called, have left sectarian scars on Northern Ireland. Stem-cell research is forbidden because an imaginary God - who is not enough of a philosopher to realise that the ingenuity of a scientist is just as natural as the instinct of Rousseau's noble savage - condemns what he does not understand and the churches that follow his teaching forbid their members to pursue cures for lethal diseases.

Yet men and women who believe that the Pope is the devil incarnate, or (conversely) regard his ex cathedra pronouncements as holy writ, are the people most likely to take the risks and make the sacrifices involved in helping others. Last week a middle-ranking officer of the Salvation Army, who gave up a well-paid job to devote his life to the poor, attempted to convince me that homosexuality is a mortal sin.

Late at night, on the streets of one of our great cities, that man offers friendship as well as help to the most degraded and (to those of a censorious turn of mind) degenerate human beings who exist just outside the boundaries of our society. And he does what he believes to be his Christian duty without the slightest suggestion of disapproval. Yet, for much of his time, he is meeting needs that result from conduct he regards as intrinsically wicked.

Civilised people do not believe that drug addiction and male prostitution offend against divine ordinance. But those who do are the men and women most willing to change the fetid bandages, replace the sodden sleeping bags and - probably most difficult of all - argue, without a trace of impatience, that the time has come for some serious medical treatment. Good works, John Wesley insisted, are no guarantee of a place in heaven. But they are most likely to be performed by people who believe that heaven exists.

The correlation is so clear that it is impossible to doubt that faith and charity go hand in hand. The close relationship may have something to do with the belief that we are all God's children, or it may be the result of a primitive conviction that, although helping others is no guarantee of salvation, it is prudent to be recorded in a book of gold, like James Leigh Hunt's Abu Ben Adam, as "one who loves his fellow men". Whatever the reason, believers answer the call, and not just the Salvation Army. When I was a local councillor, the Little Sisters of the Poor - right at the other end of the theological spectrum - did the weekly washing for women in back-to-back houses who were too ill to scrub for themselves.

It ought to be possible to live a Christian life without being a Christian or, better still, to take Christianity à la carte. The Bible is so full of contradictions that we can accept or reject its moral advice according to taste. Yet men and women who, like me, cannot accept the mysteries and the miracles do not go out with the Salvation Army at night.

The only possible conclusion is that faith comes with a packet of moral imperatives that, while they do not condition the attitude of all believers, influence enough of them to make them morally superior to atheists like me. The truth may make us free. But it has not made us as admirable as the average captain in the Salvation Army.

By Guardian Unlimited © Copyright Guardian Newspapers 2006
Published: 9/12/2005

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/9-12-2005-76579.asp


47 posted on 10/18/2006 6:54:50 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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