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Another ADA stretch
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | October 18, 2006 | Editorial

Posted on 10/18/2006 8:03:28 AM PDT by Graybeard58

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1 posted on 10/18/2006 8:03:29 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

Unbelievable. Oh, never mind, it's the clowns in the 9th Circus.


2 posted on 10/18/2006 8:10:17 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Graybeard58

What is next? Blind airline pilots?


3 posted on 10/18/2006 8:11:17 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Snap,bang or fizz works for me)
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To: Graybeard58

I was taking a required health care workers AIDS course and the makers of the the video claimed that people who have contracted HIV are covered under the ADA act. What an abuse of the intended purpose of this law.


4 posted on 10/18/2006 8:21:53 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Graybeard58

If we want to solve these ADA absurdity.

Eliminate the lawyer fees for ADA cases. ADA cases ALREADY provide that the plaintiff MAY NOT COLLECT MONEY for the claim.

Thus we eliminate the ADA lawyer mills which have popped up in many law firms. ADA cases are a cash cow for law firms and lawyers. Some smaller sole practitioners have made it their sole area of practice.


5 posted on 10/18/2006 8:23:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Better yet: just repeal the law.


6 posted on 10/18/2006 8:26:33 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

A deaf person cannot qualify for a commercial drivers license... What is the 9th circus thinking?


7 posted on 10/18/2006 9:26:45 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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Neidermeyer

Of course they can.

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8 posted on 10/18/2006 9:33:44 AM PDT by merry10
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Deaf/Hard of Hearing ping list
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9 posted on 10/18/2006 9:51:47 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: merry10
From CA DMV - there are very specific guidelines. A person who is completely deaf cannot get a CDL.

dmv.ca.gov/forms/dl/dl51

§391.41 PHYSICAL QUALIFICATIONS FOR DRIVERS

(11) First perceives a forced whispered voice in the better ear at not less than 5 feet with or without the use of a hearing aid, or, if tested by use of an audiometric device, does not have an average hearing loss in the better ear greater than 40 decibels at 500 Hz, 1,000 Hz and 2,000 Hz with or without a hearing aid when the audiometric device is calibrated to American National Standard (formerly ASA Standard) Z24.5-1951.

10 posted on 10/18/2006 10:02:18 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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The decision ignores other issues, such as who will be liable for the pain and suffering of deaf delivery people would are mauled because they didn't hear the barks and growls of the vicious dog trained to protect his owner's property.

The homeowner will be liable for failing to post a conspicuous sign warning invited guests that a vicious dog roams the premises. UPS' liability is limited to a scheduled payout under its workers compensation insurance policy, which is probably no greater than if a driver injures himself lifting a heavy box.

11 posted on 10/18/2006 10:04:01 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: 2nd amendment mama

That's in CA. In other states, they can get one.


12 posted on 10/18/2006 10:04:40 AM PDT by merry10
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To: longtermmemmory
Eliminate the lawyer fees for ADA cases.

Heck, next time socialized medicine comes up, let's just make it contingent upon socializing lawyers first. That will prevent it from ever passing!

13 posted on 10/18/2006 10:12:58 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: merry10
Excuse me but it's a Federal DOT medical exam. Do some research and you'll realize that "governing federal rule (49 CFR 391.41(b)(11)) requires that you have good hearing."

DOT Medical Report

14 posted on 10/18/2006 10:23:15 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

2nd Amendment Mama is correct - Commercial Driver's Licenses are a matter of interstate commerce, and thus governed by Federal Law. Specifically the CFR which implements the law states:

391.41(b)(11)

A person is physically qualified to drive a commercial vehicle if that person:

First perceives a forced whispered voice in the better ear at not less than five feet with or without the use of a hearing aid.

or

If tested by use of an audiometric device, does not have an average hearing loss in the better ear greater than 40 decibels at 500 Hz, 1,000 Hz and 2,000 Hz with or without a hearing aid when the audiometric device is calibrated to the American National Standard, [formerly American Standard Association (ASA)] Z24.5-1951.

Since the prescribed standard under the FMCSRs is the American National Standards Institute (ANSI), it may be necessary to convert the audiometric results from the International Standards Organization (ISO) standard to the ANSI standard. Instructions are included on the Medical Examination Report form.

If an individual meets the criteria by using a hearing aid, the driver must wear that hearing aid and have it in operation at all times while driving. Also, the driver must be in possession of a spare power source for the hearing aid.

For the whispered voice test, the individual should be stationed at least 5 feet from the examiner with the ear being tested turned toward the examiner. The other ear is covered. Using the breath which remains after a normal expiration, the examiner whispers words or random numbers such as 66, 18, 23, etc. The examiner should not use only sibilants (s-sounding test materials). If the individual fails the whispered voice test, the audiometric test should be administered.

If an individual meets the criteria by the use of a hearing aid, the following statement must appear on the Medical Examiner's Certificate "Qualified only when wearing a hearing aid."

See Hearing Disorders and Commercial Motor Vehicle Drivers at: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/medreports.htm


15 posted on 10/18/2006 10:29:30 AM PDT by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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16 posted on 10/18/2006 10:50:29 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Until ADA kicks in, and it will, and the law will be changed. I was under the impression that a deaf person could get a CDL. And I would support that.


17 posted on 10/18/2006 10:53:01 AM PDT by merry10
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To: merry10

Well, I would not support it. Have you ever driven an 18-wheeler? I have and you must have all your senses at alert to be safe!


18 posted on 10/18/2006 10:56:54 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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Nope, I dont drive 18 wheelers. But I have seen enough drivers on their cell phones to know that hearing doesn't matter when it comes to driving.


19 posted on 10/18/2006 10:58:32 AM PDT by merry10
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Well, I would not support it. Have you ever driven an 18-wheeler? I have and you must have all your senses at alert to be safe!

Being deaf would make driving an 18 wheeler difficult if not absolutely impossible. Operating the truck itself {talking about 18 wheelers} requires hearing to shift gears. If you can't hear the engine you can tear the living daylights out of some very expensive equipment.

A UPS delivery van is not an 18 wheeler and someone who is deaf could likely operate it in a safe manner. There is a vast difference between the two. I think delivery van trannys are sync'd. I drove an 18 wheeler and I'm single eye functional. I passed the DOT physical too. Left eye checked, then right eye checked, and I passed. I can't use both eyes at once though. I drove OTR and had a good record.

But I have hearing and sensory issues now would make me a menace. I could still drive one but I have no business doing so. Being a UPS local delivery driver would be the same as being a local courier. There's no reason unless a person has other sensory issues then they likely couldn't do it.

A doctor though in most states has the power to have even you automobile license pulled on medical causes.

Hey I do want to tell you a good one and I saw it with my own two eyes. A local backhoe operator is an amputee his right arm IIRC. I watched him pull up in his dump truck, unload the backhoe, and dig the ditch then reload and drive off. It was a large dump truck. I listened as he pulled off and he didn't miss a gear. He proved he had the abilities to do the job.

20 posted on 10/18/2006 12:40:10 PM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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