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When an AK47 Is Not an AK47
American Spectator ^ | 17 Oct 06 | John Tabin

Posted on 10/17/2006 10:20:20 AM PDT by rellimpank

The self-righteous ignorance that drives so much gun control advocacy never ceases to amuse. Josh Feit's latest column for the Seattle alternative weekly the Stranger is a classic of the genre.

It seems that as he stumps for fellow Republicans and paves the way for a potential presidential run, Rudy Giuliani is prudently backing off from his history of anti-gun demagoguery. Feit is hopping mad:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; elections; giuliani; libertarians; rinowatch
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To: William Tell
If you install a rifled barrel in a 12-guage shotgun, then I think you do have a 12-guage rifle.

with a slug barrel, its still considered a shotgun as it is still designed to use plastic shotshells.
else, it would be a .729 calibre rifle, which too big. i believe it would have to be registered as a DD.
41 posted on 10/17/2006 12:34:38 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: CFC__VRWC

Naah, this was a Fox News reporterette who, it seemed, just didn't know what she was doing.


42 posted on 10/17/2006 12:36:11 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: ozzymandus

I have no idea... it my be different in different states.... contact the site they can help you.. they know the laws and stuff.


43 posted on 10/17/2006 12:37:12 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: absolootezer0
with a slug barrel, its still considered a shotgun as it is still designed to use plastic shotshells. else, it would be a .729 calibre rifle, which too big. i believe it would have to be registered as a DD.

Not if it's deemed to have sporting purposes. It's not well known, but any shotgun with a bore over .5" can be deemed a destructive device at the government's will. That's what happened with the Striker/Streetsweeper/Jackhammer shotguns. There was never any legislation or EO to outlaw them. The Secretary of the Treasury simply declared that they had no sporting purpose and were henceforth considered destructive devices.

44 posted on 10/17/2006 2:06:57 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: DocH; rellimpank
Giuliani is NOT to be trusted. He's a RINO. Just as Hillary will temporarily put aside many of her most strident liberal beliefs to get elected, so to will RINOs like Rudy.

Yeah. Not "right now", just AFTER I get elected, when I'll join my gun-grabbing democrat brothers and sisters in pushing for a total ban on handguns and "assault weapons".

I agree 100% with you guys. An anti-gunner doesn't change his or her stripes - if they're so emotional over the gun issue that they can't come down on the correct side of it, then I don't trust them - period - because that kind of emotional problem doesn't just go away. There's also a huge contempt for the average person implicit in the "let's ban all/most guns" position, especially coming from a pol. Its the old "I know what's best for you" paternalism, which in other nations has resulted in horrible dictatorships and has made the commission of genocides possible.

Show me an anti-gun pol, and you'll have shown me someone who won't get my vote, EVER.

45 posted on 10/17/2006 2:14:41 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: struwwelpeter



Duct tape is legal :-)


46 posted on 10/17/2006 2:20:08 PM PDT by DTA (Mr. President, Condy is asleep at the wheel !)
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To: Echo Talon; Spktyr; RKBA Democrat; Eaker; Dawsonville_Doc

a semiauto 12-guage AK47 variant and semiauto bullpup AK47 variant. Every home should have 'em.

47 posted on 10/17/2006 3:30:27 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: rellimpank
as he ... paves the way for a potential presidential run, Rudy Giuliani is prudently backing off from his history of anti-gun demagoguery.

So, how many people are silly enough to believe him?
48 posted on 10/17/2006 3:47:23 PM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: rellimpank
When an AK47 Is Not an AK47


49 posted on 10/17/2006 4:06:00 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: King Prout; humblegunner

Absolute beauties!


50 posted on 10/17/2006 4:52:31 PM PDT by Eaker (You were given the choice between war & dishonor. You chose dishonor & you will have war. -Churchill)
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To: Eaker; King Prout

We need to hit a gun show.


51 posted on 10/17/2006 5:53:04 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: Ancesthntr
I agree completely, and...

AMEN to your statement, Show me an anti-gun pol, and you'll have shown me someone who won't get my vote, EVER.

It comes down to this:

JUST SAY NO TO RINOS (and democrats, and the rest of their gun-grabbing ilk).

52 posted on 10/17/2006 6:00:58 PM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: King Prout

sheesh, that would do some damage to the drywall! :)


53 posted on 10/17/2006 6:12:33 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: King Prout

I wanna saiga 12!


54 posted on 10/17/2006 6:33:20 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Cobra64

That is a gun we would all love to have.


55 posted on 10/17/2006 6:36:01 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: elmer fudd

oh yeah.. i forgot about the semi-autos with drum mags.
can't believe i forgot about those. couple guys i knew had to get rid of them as MI doesn't allow DDs.


56 posted on 10/17/2006 7:11:14 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: mylife; Echo Talon; humblegunner; Eaker
I wanna saiga 12!

you have taste :)

get one asap - lord alone knows if they'll remain importable, or for how long. I wouldn't wish on anyone the irk of the 18 months I had to wait through to get mine (it took that long for another company to import them here)

sheesh, that would do some damage to the drywall! :)

ayyuh - bear in mind that I don't generally like shotguns, and then evaluate the following advocacy: Among the many firearms I own, the Saiga-12 is my favorite. :D

Absolute beauties!

and Chuckie Schumer & Co. actually think they're ugly! what nances.

We need to hit a gun show.

believe it or not, I have never once been to a gun show, despite dozens (hundreds?) of local opportunities.

*shaking head and "tsk"ing at myself*

57 posted on 10/17/2006 9:40:34 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout

bump to find again later


58 posted on 10/17/2006 9:52:09 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Eaker

just a minor gloat:
I posted my AK47s on the 47th post!
neenerneenerneeeeenerrrrrr!


59 posted on 10/17/2006 9:54:24 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: absolootezer0; William Tell; elmer fudd
There is a 12 gauge rifle out there, for all you recoil junkies - the 12 Gauge from Hell. The designer addressed the DD registration by using a rimmed case and a chamber that would accept 12 gauge shot shells.
60 posted on 10/17/2006 11:18:28 PM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned? Hell, that's better than the alternative!)
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