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When an AK47 Is Not an AK47
American Spectator ^ | 17 Oct 06 | John Tabin

Posted on 10/17/2006 10:20:20 AM PDT by rellimpank

The self-righteous ignorance that drives so much gun control advocacy never ceases to amuse. Josh Feit's latest column for the Seattle alternative weekly the Stranger is a classic of the genre.

It seems that as he stumps for fellow Republicans and paves the way for a potential presidential run, Rudy Giuliani is prudently backing off from his history of anti-gun demagoguery. Feit is hopping mad:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; elections; giuliani; libertarians; rinowatch
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1 posted on 10/17/2006 10:20:20 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

but.. AK47's are EVIL!!!! /sarcasm.. :)


2 posted on 10/17/2006 10:22:45 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: rellimpank
I'm reminded of some video I saw from Iraq. Some embedded reporterette was asking a few servicemen about some gunshots she was hearing. "Are those ours or theirs?" she asked.

The servicemen listened for a few seconds, and agreed amongst themselves that the weapons being fired were AKs.

"So those are ours, then?"

With a look of just-how-stupid-are-you that had to have been seen to be believed on their faces, the servicemen politely explained that, no, those were not ours. I had to change the channel after that.

3 posted on 10/17/2006 10:29:44 AM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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To: Echo Talon
I rather have an AN-94.
4 posted on 10/17/2006 10:29:47 AM PDT by Perdogg (Democratic Party - The political wing of Al Qaida)
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To: rellimpank
To the uninformed media talking heads "semi automatic rifle" = Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
5 posted on 10/17/2006 10:32:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Perdogg
id rather have this here... its looks sooo cool! :)

but, this is actually my dream gun MP5SD, scroll down

6 posted on 10/17/2006 10:36:11 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Perdogg

Think this hi-cap mag is legal in CA?
7 posted on 10/17/2006 10:47:45 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: rellimpank
The AK-47s that you see Third World soldiers brandishing and the AK-47s you can buy in Seattle are completely different weapons. Another difference is you can buy a fully-automatic AK-47 for about $75 on the street of just about any Muslim or Eastern African city.
8 posted on 10/17/2006 10:55:30 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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The AK-47s that you see Third World soldiers brandishing and the AK-47s you can buy in Seattle are completely different weapons.

Another difference is you can buy a fully-automatic AK-47 for about $75 on the street of just about any Muslim or Eastern African city.

9 posted on 10/17/2006 10:56:09 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: struwwelpeter

What about that folding stock?


10 posted on 10/17/2006 10:57:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Perdogg

I like my SA-93. Added a slightly longer synthetic stock and some 30 round mags, now it shoots bulls eyes with ease at 100 yards (iron sights).


11 posted on 10/17/2006 11:01:44 AM PDT by Kolb
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To: struwwelpeter

The only "mag" that is legal in California is Playboy.


12 posted on 10/17/2006 11:02:47 AM PDT by fish hawk
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To: Echo Talon
The MP5 SD is better in dreams than reality. Those who shoot vastly prefer the MP5 with a conventional suppressor. The SD blasts crap back in your face, and has fewer good ammo options, and is very sensitive to cleaning and maintenance issues.
13 posted on 10/17/2006 11:03:05 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: rellimpank

I don't think TAS requires excerpting:

The self-righteous ignorance that drives so much gun control advocacy never ceases to amuse. Josh Feit's latest column for the Seattle alternative weekly the Stranger is a classic of the genre.

It seems that as he stumps for fellow Republicans and paves the way for a potential presidential run, Rudy Giuliani is prudently backing off from his history of anti-gun demagoguery. Feit is hopping mad:

The availability of assault weapons like AK-47s at gun shows and gun shops has emerged as a major concern for U.S. law enforcement grappling with terrorism in the post-9/11 era. Giuliani's commitment to limiting access to assault weapons, however, apparently evaporated this week when he came to Seattle to stump for GOP U.S. Senate candidate Mike McGavick....

What's most galling about Giuliani's flip-flop on assault weapons is that his pro-McGavick stump speech was squarely focused on homeland security. "We need senators who understand that we have to be on offense against terrorism," he said. "Cantwell's ambiguous support for the effort against terrorism probably concerns me more than anything else."

For someone who claims to be so vigilant, Giuliani's shirking of his commitment to regulating AK-47s (which you can currently buy in about 15 minutes at Butch's Gun Shop on Aurora Avenue North, according to a salesperson there) is laughable.

An al Qaeda manual entitled How Can I Train Myself for Jihad, found by United States Special Forces in the ruins of a training camp in Afghanistan (and posted on a suspected terrorist's website in 2004), tellingly singles out the United States for its easy availability of firearms, and stipulates that al Qaeda members living in the U.S. "obtain an assault weapon legally, preferably an AK-47 or variations."


The existence of this manual may be a sign that there are some unexpected strategic benefits to American journalists' chronically deficient grasp of the basic issues they're supposed to be covering. The AK-47s that you see Third World soldiers brandishing and the AK-47s you can buy in Seattle are completely different weapons. The former are fully automatic weapons, which have been tightly regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934. The Gun Control of 1968 outlawed importation of foreign-made fully automatic weapons for sale to civilians, and a 1986 amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act banned the domestic manufacture of fully automatic weapons for civilians. It is possible for a civilian to legally obtain a fully automatic AK-47, but it is extremely difficult: Before you can even begin to navigate your way through a maze of state and federal regulations, you've got to find someone with a weapon either made in the U.S. before 1986 or imported before 1968.

The AK-47s that you can buy at the average gun store are semiautomatic rifles; you only get one shot per trigger-pull. How did the assault weapons ban that was in effect from 1994 to 2004 affect the availability of these? It didn't, in any meaningful sense. The differences between the rifles that were legal before the ban, during the ban, and now are entirely cosmetic.


FEIT'S SILLY COLUMN WOULDN'T BE quite so remarkable if not for how it came to my attention, through an approving link from Andrew Sullivan. Sullivan is ubiquitous these days, promoting a book entitled The Conservative Soul: How We Lost It, How to Get It Back. His comment on Feit's column: "As Jon Stewart said of John McCain, Giuliani has turned his straight talk express into a bus to bulls**t-town."

That's rather more vicious than a little light ribbing over a flip-flop -- particularly striking given that Sullivan endorsed John Kerry for President. But if we're to heap scorn on a politician who shifts his emphasis on guns to appeal to conservative voters, what are we to make of someone who calls himself a conservative, and even poses as a savior of the conservative soul -- while aligning himself with a guy like Feit on an issue so central to both the libertarian and traditionalist strains of American conservatism?


John Tabin is a frequent online contributor to The American Spectator and AmSpecBlog.


14 posted on 10/17/2006 11:04:28 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: struwwelpeter

It's legal in Oregon: I have a 90 rd drum magazine on my Bullpup Mini 14.


15 posted on 10/17/2006 11:07:34 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Kolb
SLR-95 here. Excellent weapon. Action smooth. Never so much as a hiccup when firing. It now looks "normal" sans thumb hole stock,etc.
16 posted on 10/17/2006 11:08:44 AM PDT by donozark (He who lives by the AK-47 dies by the M-16...)
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To: Gordongekko909
The servicemen listened for a few seconds, and agreed amongst themselves that the weapons being fired were AKs.

"So those are ours, then?"

Well, from the MSM perspective, the AK-47s are "ours."

17 posted on 10/17/2006 11:10:12 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: Beelzebubba
you can put a regular suppressor on it cant you?
18 posted on 10/17/2006 11:10:49 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Echo Talon

Interesting... I didn't realize that the SBR version of the PS-90 was going to be available directly from FN - It had looked like you'd have to do it yourself. The PS-90s with the long factory barrel look a bit silly, IMHO, but with the shorter barrel it regains the high degree of coolness of the military original, and will be worth waiting for. Now if they can issue it in black, and get the price of the ammo down, we'll be able to play Stargate SG-1...


19 posted on 10/17/2006 11:16:32 AM PDT by Zeppo
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I agree, it must come in black! :) I haven't done any research/shopping into this firearm not sure whats available I just did a quick search.


20 posted on 10/17/2006 11:20:29 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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