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Alter Wishes for 'Demise' of 'Values Voters' in Fall Elections
MRC email ^ | 10-17-06 | Tim Graham

Posted on 10/17/2006 9:32:13 AM PDT by DeweyCA

What does the "N-word" racial epithet and the pollster term "values voter" have in common? According to Newsweek columnist Jonathan Alter, by some elastic calisthenics of the brain, the word "values" needs to be drained of its poison, deprived of its "sting" against liberals, deflated of any political advantage, so that liberals can be seen as just as morality-oriented as conservatives. In describing his latest column, on MSNBC's Imus in the Morning program on Monday, Alter said this "values voter" term is "driving me nuts," that certain people have a "monopoly" on "so-called traditional values." Alter also displayed an intense desire for the "demise" of "values voters" in the fall election.

[This item, by Tim Graham, was posted Monday afternoon on the MRC's blog, NewsBusters.org: http://newsbusters.org/node/8363 ]

In his phone interview with Imus in the October 16 6:30am EDT half hour, Alter told Imus: "You see my Lenny Bruce reference? I try to work him into Newsweek whenever I can. Remember the old routine that he did where he'd use the N- word over and over and over again and then he'd say if we can just say it all the time, it will lose its meaning?...You know, no little black girl can be made tor cry any more, say it so much it becomes meaningless, well. That's what I want to have happen with this word 'values,' 'values voters,' which is just driving me nuts. The idea that somehow certain people have a monopoly on values and that, you know, if you are not with them on these issues, that you somehow [mock expression of horror] 'you don't share our values.' And you're not just wrong, but someone morally inferior if you're on the other side. And I hope this election is going to mark the demise of the values voters, this idea that people who feel so strongly, you know about these so-called traditional values, that they don't determine the election the way were seen to have the last time around."

Whoa. That's an interesting use of words. "Demise" might sound like 'decline,' but it primarily means 'death.' Is he wishing death on social conservatives? Or is he just verbally clumsy? (Don't tell me Alter would let Sen. George Allen off the carpet with a verbal miscue like that.) On the one hand, Alter wants to declare that social conservatives will not win out as they did last time, but then he has to claim not only that their traditional values are "so-called," but that they were merely "seen" to have been decisive. So if they weren't decisive, why is Alter so "nuts" that they might influence the election again this year?

He wrapped up: "And the indications are they have less clout this time out. You know, there are a lot of reports that they are going to stay home which is bad news for the Republicans."

You can clearly hear through his irritation, saying social conservatives, go home. Religious right-wingers, get out. Stop ruining our liberal utopia, where abortion is widely available and gays getting married is the highest expression of our societal progress. Here's Alter's festival of wishful thinking in the Newsweek column suggesting that Republicans will stew in their own disgusting social-conservative juices: "Now fallout from the Mark Foley story is giving the GOP establishment a taste of its own sanctimonious medicine, as Democrats tsk-tsk their way back into power. While it's hard to imagine many incumbents losing their seats over the Foley issue alone, the lingering subtext will likely dampen conservative turnout and could help tip close races. Publicity about an influential gay Republican subculture in Washington makes the GOP's pandering on gay marriage less persuasive. And the story adds to the overall sense that the current congressional leadership has failed to offer oversight on a series of moral issues, from corruption to burdening our children with debt to protecting minors from predators in what is supposed to be the 'Daddy' party. "More likely, the word will turn into a political football pulled so hard by each team that it finally deflates. Good. That could help lead us back to the hard policy choices we face and the values we have in common...'Values' should be a slice of American apple pie, not a wedge. When all voters are 'values voters,' the term will lose its sting, just as Lenny Bruce would have wanted."

For Alter's piece in the October 23 edition of Newsweek, "The Myth of the 'Values' Voter: The term is loaded and unfair. It implies that people who 'do not share our values' aren't just wrong but morally inferior," go to: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15266550/site/newsweek/

Liberals like Alter profess that religious liberals have a different agenda to press, to shame conservatives into realizing they also have a biblical duty to assist the poor, a different set of values to vote on. But isn't it obvious to them that this is exactly the "wedge" that they've applied against conservatives since, mmm, the Great Depression? That conservatives didn't share their "values" of assisting the poor? That they cornered the market on virtue and compassion? Alter isn't sick of "values" having a definition. He's sick of it having a conservative definition. The liberal media want to rewrite the dictionary so that everyone uses their language with their meaning, and they can't stand it when conservative rhetoric wins with voters.


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Here is another example of the liberal media bias, and their absolute loathing of "values voters." The media really does hate Christian values, and do not want us to have a strong voice in our society. If they could do so, they would take away our right to vote.
1 posted on 10/17/2006 9:32:15 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: DeweyCA

If you have to caveat "traditional values" by calling them "so called" traditional values, you don't support them.


2 posted on 10/17/2006 9:34:48 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: DeweyCA
Since when were liberals motivated by morals? They are, at best, amoral.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

3 posted on 10/17/2006 9:36:11 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: LonePalm

Nah, we're talking five notches below unscrupulous...

A new world record...


4 posted on 10/17/2006 9:40:16 AM PDT by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: Dilbert56

Yes. This report brought to us by so-called journalist, Jonathan Alter.


5 posted on 10/17/2006 9:40:46 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: DeweyCA
if you are not with them on these issues, that you somehow [mock expression of horror] 'you don't share our values.'

But if lefties aren't with me on values issues, then they don't share my values. And I don't share theirs. That's what disagreements are made of.

They want us to pretend we don't disagree with them. But we do. And we disagree about values.

6 posted on 10/17/2006 9:41:15 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: DeweyCA

With a last name like Alter, and a good Christian name like Jonathan, he also probably hates his own name.


7 posted on 10/17/2006 9:45:59 AM PDT by freemankid
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To: DeweyCA
I can honestly say there is no one in the print press I dislike more than Jonathan Alter. He is the epitome of the elitist left-wing liberal class that doesn't have a clue as to how the rest of the country lives.
8 posted on 10/17/2006 9:49:53 AM PDT by Minn. 4 Bush
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To: DeweyCA
You know, there are a lot of reports that they are going to stay home which is bad news for the Republicans.

If libbys were ever to pray for anything, this would be it. Surrender your Congressional districts!

9 posted on 10/17/2006 9:51:31 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: DeweyCA
Republicans make better examples of "love the sinner, hate the sin."




10 posted on 10/17/2006 9:59:24 AM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" for the Unborn Child)
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To: DeweyCA

Thank you for the time to post and bring understanding to this other course.Truly our strengths are to be turned against us as wedges. If folks were not not hauled off to prison for merely listening what the 'rats and lawyers talk in their dens we would have more view of their tactics.These meetings are held higher than National security issues. Fact.


11 posted on 10/17/2006 10:03:44 AM PDT by noodler
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To: DeweyCA
Alter isn't sick of "values" having a definition. He's sick of it having a conservative definition.

Precisely. The left is doing exactly what we do, all the while claiming that we are illegitimate for doing it.

We reason from our value set; they reason from theirs. It's called politics and is at the heart of our democratic system. But the left won't recognize the other side as at least legitimate. It is a formula for the long term disruption of our democracy.

12 posted on 10/17/2006 10:05:28 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: DeweyCA
Values aren't a slice of the American Pie- they are the key ingredient.
13 posted on 10/17/2006 10:12:02 AM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: freemankid

He's just a alterBOY carrying water for he RATS he must have been molested by a priest, there must be some reason for the hate./s The name Alter gives meaning to the need for ALTERnative media and why we should all find ALTERnate sources for our news.

This is fun. We should start a contest.


14 posted on 10/17/2006 10:17:00 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist
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To: Zack Nguyen

I would say that you are incorrect for the left Does Not do what we do but in context, okay. The ramifications are different of course which is why the outing of Foley works well. Were he a dem they would have rallied around him. All the homo wing and nambla wing and every other pervert dem voter would have defended his service. So we have to rip him out because he's not pure enough for us and we must be sparkly pure towards dems while they spit in our wounds.


15 posted on 10/17/2006 10:21:17 AM PDT by noodler
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To: SaltyJoe
Here's the rub as I see it. I don't want a government run by amoral people, people who can't be trusted. If you can't keep your hands off other people's money, or keep your vows to your wife, why should I trust you with the great powers of government? That my mean you have a concept of right and wrong that you believe was handed down by your deity, or it might be the result of careful introspection, or the culmination of three thousand years of Western philosophy. I don't much care why you do the right thing, so long as you do so.

On the other hand, not only don't I want to live in a theocracy of any sort. I don't want want the government prescribing and proscribing acts when it's not necessary. I do not want a government to impose even my own preferences on me and my neighbors. The rub is in how you decide what's necessary. I think the best idea we ever came up with with choosing people who loved liberty and freedom to make those decisions for us. It didn't work perfectly, but it worked.

So, given the choice between voting for a saint who wanted to solve my problems for me, and a guy who, while not a criminal and not untrustworthy, had feet of clay, but believed that people should, whenever possible, make their own decisions and their own living, who do I vote for?

I guess that means I'm not a values voter?
16 posted on 10/17/2006 10:23:10 AM PDT by NYFriend
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To: noodler

Well, I have no problem with tossing out Foley. It may have been more than what the Democrats would have done (though in this political climate today they may have been forced to throw him out) but Foley did the right thing in resigning. While true that Republicans tend tohandle these things better than Democrats, complaining about a double standard is whistling in the wind. We are the values party, and will be held to that standard.


17 posted on 10/17/2006 10:24:15 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: DeweyCA

Odd, I've always thought of the word 'values' as a liberal weasel-word.

It's what sociologists call things other cultures regard as virtues so they don't have to take a stand on whether they are virtuous or not.

It's what Nietzsche called virtues and vices so he could transpose the two in his 'transvaluation of values' to call charity vice and cruelty virtue.

I hate it when conservatives use the word. We uphold VIRTUE, not 'traditional values', and should not be afraid of the word.


18 posted on 10/17/2006 10:30:49 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Zack Nguyen

True.{ and as the donkey said(..whistling in the wind) the person asks "did you consume these nuggets"the tail lifts slightly, fffewwwwwwww..} How do you argue that? If it were up to me I would separate the Country and dems of thieves could all live in a pile governed by dems.


19 posted on 10/17/2006 10:38:36 AM PDT by noodler
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