Scalia says Constitution silent on abortion, race in school

"The chief purpose of government is to protect life. Abandon that and you have abandoned all."

Thomas Jefferson

41 posted on 10/15/2006 9:12:23 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)

Thomas Jefferson defined government's role, "The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."

42 posted on 10/15/2006 9:14:40 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.”

43 posted on 10/15/2006 9:17:58 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)

"Resistance to tyranny is obediance to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

44 posted on 10/15/2006 9:22:23 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)

To: Aussie Dasher

I absolutly LOVE this guy.

45 posted on 10/15/2006 9:26:22 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)

46 posted on 10/15/2006 9:26:44 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)

Yes it does. It falls under defence of the country.Abortion does not.Wanna try again?

47 posted on 10/15/2006 9:28:20 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)

Doesn't mention a Marines Corp. either.

Or a Coast Guard, or FBI, or Department of Education or appelate or district courts or a page system or an income tax (specifically).

48 posted on 10/15/2006 9:30:16 PM PDT by oldbill

"The chief purpose of government is to protect life. Abandon that and you have abandoned all."

Thomas Jefferson

Nice quote, but it doesn't prove the statement:

The Constitution validates the Declaration of Independence as a document of legislation.

But really, thanks for playing.

49 posted on 10/15/2006 9:35:03 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)

Article I, Section 8: Congress must provide for the Common Defense.

50 posted on 10/15/2006 9:36:08 PM PDT by TheThinker

Thomas Jefferson defined government's role, "The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."

Ok, that's still Thomas Jefferson. We're looking for where "The Constitution validates the Declaration of Independence as a document of legislation."

Once again, thanks for playing.

51 posted on 10/15/2006 9:38:00 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)

Learn to do some HTML Life of Thomas Jefferson

8. Declaration of Independence

Still fixated on Jefferson. Smart guy, wrote the Declaration and all, but still doesn't speak to The Constitution validates the Declaration of Independence as a document of legislation.

So I'm still going to disbelieve that the Declaration has any legal standing.

52 posted on 10/15/2006 9:44:41 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)

Alan Keyes: "And that very simple train of logic, it seems to me, helps us to understand the relationship between the principles stated in the Declaration of Independence and what was then later formulated to be the instrument of government in this country, which is the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution represents an effort to put together a framework of government that reflects and respects the basic understanding of justice and right which is succinctly articulated in the Declaration. It is, to the Declaration, what an architect's drawing is to the scientific principles of engineering. So that the architect, with an understanding of those principles, puts together a framework in which those principles are embodied in a viable or workable model. And that is, of course, what our Founders were seeking to do when they put together the Constitution of the United States.

I say that not by way of speculation, either, but because that is in fact what they themselves said they were doing. If you read the debates in the federal convention, if you read the extensive debate that took place without doors after the convention was released to the general public for ratification in the thirteen states, you will find, running throughout that debate, a set of common assumptions and principles which were common not only to those who advocated the Constitution, but also to those who opposed it. They took a different view of whether or not, in fact, the Constitution of the United States, as it was prepared by that federal convention, would satisfy the requirements of justice. But their sense of what those requirements were was unanimous. There was a unanimous understanding that the aim or end of the exercise was a government that respected the basic rights of human beings, for the sake of which they declared, all of them, the American Revolution had been fought.

So I say that because it might come as a surprise and shock to some people, but there was no dispute in principle, when the Constitution was being debated and ratified, about the standard of judgment that was to be applied when you asked yourself whether it should be accepted or rejected. You read through the Federalist Papers, you read through the works of Brutus and others who opposed the arguments being made in the Federalist, and they all had common ground. They were all, perhaps, coming to some different prudential conclusions about whether what the Constitution proposed would in fact safeguard basic rights, respect what they commonly agreed to be the principles of small 'r' republican government. But they agreed in believing that the aim or end of the exercise was a frame of government that would respect those principles. There was, to put it simply, a common idea of justice which animated them all.

I think in the end it was, in fact, that adherence to a common idea of justice that made it possible for the Constitution to be adopted, and for that adoption to be respected in the beginning in spite of the very real differences that existed about whether the Constitution was a good one or a bad one, one that would last and serve liberty or one that would, in fact, erect an edifice to destroy it. And very strong opinions were expressed on one side and the other about this point of prudential judgment. What was not in dispute, however, was what the principles of judgment ought to be, what the idea of justice was, which animated those who engaged in the debate.

53 posted on 10/15/2006 9:47:16 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)

So it was God who did it. Flowing beard, robes, burning bushes. Got it.

54 posted on 10/15/2006 9:47:22 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)

"Resistance to tyranny is obediance to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated -- The Borg

55 posted on 10/15/2006 9:48:40 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)

Also Keyes:

"Now that means that if you were a thorough-going originalist, you would have to take the principles stated in the Declaration very seriously. Because, apart from those principles, you would not even be able to apply to the Constitution of the United States its right name, which is that it establishes a republic. So when I hear folks, or hear of folks, who cavalierly dismiss the Declaration, in terms of its relevance for constitutional interpretation, I have to scratch my head. It's sort of like somebody looking at an architect's drawing and saying that you can understand what it means apart from any understanding of the principles of engineering. Generally speaking, this is absurd.

And in this specific case, it is also absurd. That from the point of view of logic; if you want to get to the original intention, then you must take seriously that philosophy of government which formed and informed that original intention. If you do not, then you are maybe going back to find out what words the Founders used, but you are refusing to consider the meaning which they ascribed to those words.

56 posted on 10/15/2006 9:51:31 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)

To: perfect stranger

Not that you deserve it, but here's the quote:

They raise fewer children than we do. The causes of this are to be found, not in a difference of nature, but of circumstance. The women very frequently attending the men in their parties of war and of hunting, child-bearing becomes extremely inconvenient to them. It is said, therefore, that they have learnt the practice of procuring abortion by the use of some vegetable; and that it even extends to prevent conception for a considerable time after. During these parties they are exposed to numerous hazards, to excessive exertions, to the greatest extremities of hunger.

You can Google keywords to determine the source.

57 posted on 10/15/2006 9:57:11 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)

In the preamble of the Constitution of the United States, it states clearly that the Government must " Provide for the common defense " of the United States of America.
The Air force is part of our common defense.
Yes, there was no such thing as any air force at that time.
However, through generations, through generations, technology has allowed us to engage in war and the use of technology.

58 posted on 10/15/2006 10:02:22 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)

59 posted on 10/15/2006 10:03:09 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)

But USSC did not use the 9th amendment to come up with a right to privacy I mean a right to abortion...... They simply made it up. They and everyone knows they did but they do not care....... It was very shotty reasoning. It was more or less a legal fantasy....And the country have been fighting about it ever since.

60 posted on 10/15/2006 10:03:57 PM PDT by therut

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