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To: Fester Chugabrew
I do not like the ToE (in the wide sense) because it falsely assumes the name science for itself

What do you think this is, some creature trying to make itself grander? That it just came into existence and called itself science? The ToE started as a basic idea, and its proponents had to fight their way up the sceintific food chain based on the merit of the theory. Only after it had been vetted, attacked and rediculed for years was it finally accepted as valid science. That is why it is called science and taught in science class.

But you'd like to bypass this whole process for ID and use school boards to put ID in by the back door.

Like many in your shrinking club

"Teach the Controversy" likes to say that to make people think there's some kind of scientific crisis going on. Sorry to say, the ToE is stronger today than it was when Johnson invented his evangelical tool.

894 posted on 10/18/2006 2:12:40 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
What do you think this is, some creature trying to make itself grander? That it just came into existence and called itself science?

In a word, yes. Intellectual laziness on the part of its disciples and hearers has resulted in the wrong label being applied and accepted. Evolution in the wide sense is merely a philosophy of history, a tautological one at that, which allows any piece of evidence to be interpreted in any way one wishes, all without the possibility of being verified on a repeated basis.

Even if dinosaurs were to be found living among humans this very day, such a find would in no way militate against the notion that, since certain creatures have common forms, they necessarily have a common ancestor. The only process that has allowed evolution in the wide sense to be accepted as science is like-minded intellectual laziness on a grand scale. As you put it, "some creature trying to make itself grander."

Meanwhile, one does not have to bypass any kind of process to recognize that intelligent design takes place on a regular basis, results in organized matter performing specific functions, and potentially governs either directly or indirectly every particle of matter as we know it. It's the way science has been undertaken since the beginning: intelligence exploring an intelligible universe by seeking order.

The "bypassing" and usurpation have be perpetrated by people like you who do not know the difference between pure science and philosophy. But that's okay. Science will progress in spite of you, though public school science classes suffer in being deprived by law of the scientific paradigm that is most reasonable and most helpful.

Sorry to say, the ToE is stronger today than it was when Johnson invented his evangelical tool.

You've been dreaming all along. Don't stop now.

901 posted on 10/18/2006 2:46:00 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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