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To: thomaswest
The ID testimony showed that ID is not science . . .

It did no such thing. The evolutionist faithful are simply indulging in further wishful thinking by asserting as much. A single court decision does not have the capacity to determine what is or is not science. Even by common use of language it does not make sense to call a tangible, directly observable process (intelligent design) "unscientific", let along "religious" or "supernatural." Science itself cannot objectively determine what is or is not supernatural. Do you really think "expert testimony" will sort it out for us all?

54 posted on 10/14/2006 2:55:12 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Amusing. Did you "conveniently forget" or deliberately ignore that there are a dozen or more court decisions on the subject of creationism and ID in schools. For example, the SCOTUS decision Aquillard vs. Edwards. The Dover case was simply the latest in a long string over 40 years where courts in GA, AL, LA, VA, SC addressed these issues. In EVERY case, the creationist/ID side lost.

In fact, Judge Jones in Dover wrote that whatever his personal biases might be, he had no choice under the rule of deference to previous decisons and to the SC.

You are pursuing a losing line of argument here.

82 posted on 10/14/2006 3:25:36 PM PDT by thomaswest (The truth will make you free. But it may tick you off.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Science itself cannot objectively determine what is or is not supernatural.

You have a big time logical inconsistency here. Let's say for the moment that via experiment and observation and inference (your terms) that there comes about a scientific finding of a supernatural event. This would be very powerful. There would be an experiment or observation that was repeatable, that via objective reality, all who looked at the evidence could agree on it.

The job of science is to describe how the natural world actually works. The unnatural is not part of science. By definition, this "supernatural effect" becomes a description of the natural.

The result is that God is dethroned. Any mystery is now reduced to being an effect that can be examined in a laboratory, measured, and known. So evidence for a "supernatural" influence actually destroys the supernatural by making it part of the natural, verifiable, measureable part of existence.

97 posted on 10/14/2006 4:00:17 PM PDT by thomaswest (The truth will make you free. But it may tick you off.)
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