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A Man Once Lived Who Confronted Islamic Fanatics-Count Dracula
Conservativehumor.net ^ | 10/14/2006 | Ricky Acuchillador

Posted on 10/14/2006 8:30:13 AM PDT by spartagroup

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To: cripplecreek
I saw a Romanian movie about the Turkish invasion, and it portrayed the Turks as fond of impaling as Vlad was.

In the movie, which seemed historically accurate, the procedure involved placing a sharpened, hollow spearhead on a stout (fencepost-sized) stake, then lying the stake across rollers and placing the victim at the point of the spearhead. A large man with a sledgehammer would then drive the stake between the victim's spread legs, entering roughly around the perineal area. The goal was to keep the victim alive until the stake pierced the other end of the body, preferably through the skull.

Nice, eh?

21 posted on 10/14/2006 9:18:42 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: roses of sharon

Name one ruthless politician in america....


22 posted on 10/14/2006 9:20:42 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: Enterprise

Thought you might find this interesting reading: http://members.aol.com/johnfranc/drac05.htm


23 posted on 10/14/2006 9:22:30 AM PDT by EBH (All great truths begin as blasphemies. GB Shaw)
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To: EBH
Geneva conventions and all...the rest of the world would not tolerate it.

Ha! The "Geneva Convention" just after Vlad's time consisted of John Calvin and his ilk torturing people for their religious views, tying them to slightly wider wooden stakes, and setting them on fire. Every century before, various religions imposed themselves by force on others, and it's disappointing to know that in the 21st, it's no different. Who's it gonna be next century? Scientologists?

24 posted on 10/14/2006 9:28:38 AM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: roses of sharon

Which is why we have to elect a ruthless SOB in 08.

Well, Hitlery would be RUTHLESS, but only to Americans.


25 posted on 10/14/2006 9:32:56 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: Cowboy Bob

He is still considered a national hero in Romania.


Which may be why Romania doesn't have a problem with muslim immigration......or at least I have not heard of any problems there.


26 posted on 10/14/2006 9:37:40 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: bordergal
Maybe, McCain can be ruthless, except with terrorists, lol.

Rudy, and Romney have both dissed Islamic leaders in public, so I suppose that is a step in the right direction.

President Bush has given any Islamic moderates a chance for a civilized society a chance, after 9/11.

Whether that will happen remains an open question.

Could it be that the ruthless SOB we need to fight the Islamic Cults will come from Islam itself, the ME, or Europe?

That leader could be anywhere, its civilized citizens who have to decide what kind of man they want, find him, and put him into power.
27 posted on 10/14/2006 9:38:23 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: chasio649
See post 27.

Maybe the next Vlad, will not be an American?

After all, this scourge of Islamic cults have been roaming the globe for decades murdering innocents with impunity.

Many citizens in the world who are not fat and weak and feminized, like we are, could produce a ruthless bastard!
28 posted on 10/14/2006 9:46:37 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: spartagroup

The History Channel recently devoted an episode of the "Lost Worlds"
series to Dracula's world.
It was a good mix of archeology studies of his estates (with computer
re-imagining) as well some of his ruthless and very effective state-craft.


29 posted on 10/14/2006 9:48:06 AM PDT by VOA
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To: spartagroup
Here is another article on PRINCE Vlad ; it's interesting an dhopefully you'll enjoy it too :

From Moralist to Seducer: How Fiction Inverted The Meaning of The Real Dracula’s Bloodlust

Dracula lives — forever undead — in the common imagination.

As Clare Haworth-Maden notes in her book, Dracula, his name instantly brings to mind a vampire in tux and cape, fangs bared, leaning over a prone woman. His intended or actual victim is usually a woman.

Although possessed of supernatural powers and strength, Dracula has significant points of vulnerability. His powers do not survive daylight. Garlic keeps him away. He can be repelled by the sign of the cross. Perhaps most tellingly, as Haworth-Maden also writes, “he may not enter a dwelling unless invited.”

Most people know that there was a real Dracula. He was a 15-Century Prince named Vlad Tepes III. He was nicknamed Vlad the Impaler or — the name he often used for himself — Dracula. He ruled Wallachia, a country that is part of what is now Romania. He possessed no supernatural powers but, as an absolute monarch, he exercised his earthly powers in extraordinarily cruel ways. He may have been responsible for the deaths of as many as 100, 000 people and his favorite means of execution was impalement by which means a person was shoved atop a sharpened pole. The pole slowly tore through flesh until it penetrated a vital organ.

It is also common knowledge today that Transylvania is a real place, a region within Romania.

However, little known or at least remarked upon is the way in which the motivation and meaning of the violence perpetrated by the real Dracula have been curiously inverted in his fictional incarnations. Vlad the Impaler was a stern moralist who terrorized vice out of his country. According to Dracula, Prince of Many Faces by Radu R. Florescu and Raymond T. McNally, during Vlad the Impaler’s reign, a cup made of gold was “purposely left by Dracula near a certain fountain located near the source of a river. Travelers from many lands came to drink at this fountain, because the water was cool and sweet. Dracula had intentionally put this fountain in a deserted place to test dishonest wayfarers. So great was the fear of impalement, however, that so long as he lived no one dared to steal the cup, and it was left at its place.”

Vlad the Impaler’s fiercest wrath fell on “immoral” women. Florescu and McNally wrte that adulteresses, unmarried females who had lost their virginity, and “unchaste” widows were all punished in the following grisly manner: “Dracula would order her sexual organs cut. She was then skinned alive and exposed in her skinless flesh in a public square, her skin hanging separately from a pole or placed on a table in the middle of the marketplace.”

Yet Bram Stoker’s Dracula represents sexual temptation. When he greets Jonathan Harker, he tells him “Welcome to my house! Enter freely and of your own will!” Stoker’s Dracula speaks as the voice of sin, which each person must freely allow into his — or her — heart. By contrast, Dracula’s subjects, and victims, were born into his realm and automatically under his thumb.

The Count of Stoker’s classic novel lives with a harem of three young, pretty women. When they approach Jonathan Harker, he is overcome with fear and sexual longing: “I felt in my heart a wicked, burning desire that they would kiss me with those red lips.” The Count discovers the women hovering over Harker and responds with words of transparent homosexual jealously and possessiveness, shouting, “How dare you touch him, any of you? . . . This man belongs to me!”

The Count in Stoker’s novel is quite ugly as he is in the classic Nosferatu, one of the first Dracula films (although one in which the name “Dracula” is not used). He is described as an old, cadaverous man with pointed ears, hairy palms, thick eyebrows that meet over his nose, and having bad breath. Maden Haworth has observed that Stoker’s villain has “a physiogomy . . . consistent with the Victorian age’s concept of the ‘criminal type.’”

Dracula has, with occasional exceptions, gotten even sexier since Stoker’s time. While the repulsive Nosferatu might have to force his lust on his victims, film Draculas like Bela Lugosi, Christopher Lee, and Frank Langella, are suave, handsome sorts who can easily seduce.

Equally inverted in the fictional Dracula is the real Dracula’s relationship to religion. The fictional vampire is instantly stricken into helplessness when confronted by the side of the cross. Roman Polanski did a witty comic send-up of this in The Fearless Vampire Killers when a Jewish vampire laughs at an outstretched crucifix.

Vlad the Impaler was ostensibly a Christian. According to Dracula Prince of Many Faces, Wallachia’s brutal “was often seen in the company of Romanian Orthodox monks” and “when he imposed the death sentence, he insisted upon proper ceremony for his victims and a Christian burial.” He founded many monasteries and churches.

When Dracula showed two monks the usual scene of impaled cadavers in his courtyard, one said, “You are appointed by God to punish the evildoers.” The other monk remonstrated and was immediately impaled. Vlad reigned before the enunciation of the Divine Right of Kings but the concept of submission to earthly authority, often advocated by religious authorities, was quite congenial to the tyrant.

Moreover, Dracula believed himself to be — and was seen by others as — a Christian patriot, protecting his country and religion from Muslim invaders. The evolution of the name “Dracula” is instructive on this point.

Along with several other distinguished European royal figures, Dracula’s father, Vlad II, had been inducted into an organization entitled the Order of the Dragon. Florescu and McNally write that among its stated purposes were “the defense and propagation of Catholicism against . . . heretics, and . . . crusading against the infidel Turks.”

As member of the Order, Florescu and McNally continue, Vlad II took on the constant wearing of a medallion inscribed with mottoes that “symbolized the victory of Christ over the forces of darkness” and a black cape which would later be the trademark of the fictional, cross-fearing Dracula. Florescue and McNally write that Vlad II, and others of the Order of the Dragon, wore it “only on Fridays or during the Commemoration of Christ’s Passion.”

Vlad II was called “Dracul” because he was a member of the Order of the Dragon; his son, Vlad III became “Dracula” meaning “son of the dragon.” Far from being an epithet, the title was a term of pride, bestowed on courageous men who had fought valiantly against the Turks and for the Christian faith. In short, the real Dracula got along with the cross quite nicely; it was his symbol.

Why was the meaning of Dracula’s violent life been so utterly inverted in fiction? The answer to that lies, at least partially, with the Victorian society in which Bram Stoker. In many ways, the Victorians were a progressive people who believed, as Florescu and McNally wrote, that they could restrain “an untamed nature through the application of science.” Although they were guilty of fostering horrors like clitoridectomy as well as the imprisonment of men like Oscar Wilde for consensual homosexual acts, their primary method for ensuring chastity was social opprobrium. As much as they shared the real Dracula’s disdain for “immoral” women, the Victorians would have been genuinely appalled by his bloodthirsty methods.

Victorianism was not distinctive for the restrictions it put on sexual activity (many of which are fairly cross-cultural) but, as David J. Skal writes in Hollywood Gothic, the separation between “the public face and the private behavior.”

Bram Stoker, unlike his contemporary Wilde, was a good Victorian. As such, he wished to warn against the consequences of sexual immorality — and to sexually titillate without ever being explicit. Finally, it suited his purposes to link savage cruelty with the sexual indulgence both he and his society scorned rather than the sexual restraint they championed.

Hollywood has no moral agenda and is free to titillate unabashedly — thus, the alluring, handsome seducer is generally preferred to Stoker’s ugly rapist.

30 posted on 10/14/2006 9:48:22 AM PDT by Verloona Ti (Moslems are sensitive to everything except the screams of their victims being tortured)
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To: cripplecreek

Only because Post-It Notes blow off in the wind....:)


31 posted on 10/14/2006 9:53:48 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: spartagroup

I wonder if Vlad dipped those stakes in pig fat first.


32 posted on 10/14/2006 9:54:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MeanFreePath

Vlad the Impaler Bump!


33 posted on 10/14/2006 10:04:58 AM PDT by talleyman (Kerry & the Surrender-Donkey Treasoncrats - trashing the troops for 40 years.)
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To: spartagroup
Ricky has joined with noted idea man Count John the Spiker, whose traces his noble blood back to an 11th century Norman England volleyball enthusiast...

ROTFLMAO!!!

34 posted on 10/14/2006 10:07:09 AM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: roses of sharon
Rudy, and Romney have both dissed Islamic leaders in public, so I suppose that is a step in the right direction.

Guiliani time for Islam?

35 posted on 10/14/2006 10:09:32 AM PDT by frithguild (The Freepers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim)
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To: spartagroup

He is known as "Vlad Tepes" in Romania. Tepes comes from the romanian verb "a teapa," which is to impale. He is seen there as barbaric, yes, but also heroic.


36 posted on 10/14/2006 10:10:44 AM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: spartagroup; Conservative4Life

Don't forget Gen."Blackjack" Pershing, I believe it was in the Plillipines....


Bump for future reference


37 posted on 10/14/2006 10:10:48 AM PDT by Trillian
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To: Blowtorch

I may have that backwards. His name may have been the root of the Romanian word.


38 posted on 10/14/2006 10:12:44 AM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Uncle Chip

"I wonder if Vlad dipped those stakes in pig fat first."

Nice touch.


39 posted on 10/14/2006 10:17:08 AM PDT by doxteve
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To: Blowtorch

Barbaric, ruthless, bloodthirsty, and heroic, yep, that about sums up what we will need in a man for the future.


40 posted on 10/14/2006 10:49:45 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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