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It Begins In Beijing
IBD ^ | Oct. 12, 2006 | IBD

Posted on 10/12/2006 8:41:03 PM PDT by FairOpinion

After North Korea's nuclear bomb test, the People's Republic of China insists that "punishment should not be the purpose" of any response. Maybe the problem isn't North Korea, but China.

There's another, more ominous reason for China's reluctance to help: The country is responsible for much of the proliferation of nuclear technology to terrorist states in recent years. That includes its main client, North Korea.

As the State Department noted in a 2003 report, "Chinese state-owned corporations have engaged in transfer activities with Pakistan, Iran, North Korea and Libya that are clearly contrary to China's commitments to the U.S."

China signed agreements with the U.S. in 1992, 1994, 1998, 2000 and 2002 to halt shipments of nuclear and missile technology to rogue nations. It broke each one in what can only be called a cynical game that its government still plays with the West.

Where did Khan and Pakistan get that know-how? From China. And where did North Korea get the missile technology it bartered with Khan? Also from China. Thus, a picture emerges of a China not at the periphery of WMD proliferation, but at its center.

China plays the same game with Iran — trading nuclear technology for oil — though it denies such an arrangement.

The Chinese need to be pulled aside and told: No more sales of nuclear technology to rogue states, or their $250 billion in exports to the U.S. may be threatened. That ought to move talks along.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; koreanukes; northkorea; nulcear
It's time to give China an ultimatum and stick to it.
1 posted on 10/12/2006 8:41:04 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

It's time to give China an ultimatum and stick to it.

Yes, but it will never happen. I think both parties are to the point where they like to declare victory where none exists. Its all spin, spin, spin with no substance. And that increasing includes the GWOT. I have noticed this trend breaking out all over society as I get older. Its a disease really.


2 posted on 10/12/2006 8:45:48 PM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: FairOpinion
I agree.
Since when is North Korea our problem?
The Chinese created it, let them deal with it. This isn't to say we don't protect South Korea, Japan, or Taiwan under an umbrella of retaliation, however. Let the Chicoms deal with millions of starving refugees.
3 posted on 10/12/2006 8:47:17 PM PDT by frankenMonkey (Are there any men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?)
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To: FairOpinion

It begins in Beijing.... Runs through Moscow, and ends in Pyongyang.


4 posted on 10/12/2006 8:52:02 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: FairOpinion

This is a really good editorial. Nobody talks about China's role in all these axes of evil but there it is, right there blocking the road every time. Yeah, yank their trade provisions.


5 posted on 10/12/2006 8:52:40 PM PDT by Kitten Festival
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To: FairOpinion

I wonder if anyone has thought of this.

China helps NK get weapons.

China winks at the US to infer that China will support punishment of NK.

Then pulls the rug out from under Bush at the last moment, as they appear to be doing.

Bush left looking totally ineffective. Face lost in the Orient, where face is everything.

As for cutting off trade with China, it will never ever happen short of war. All of the big corporations that bought Congress have either factories over there or sources for goods they import. They will not stand for it.

I have said for several years that we will never have a war with China. The big guys (and I am a strong believer in capitalism, just not a believer in the international corporations who have no home and no loyalty to anyone) will never allow our air force to bomb their investment in China.


6 posted on 10/12/2006 8:53:12 PM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: FairOpinion
"The Chinese need to be pulled aside and told: No more sales of nuclear technology to rogue states, or their $250 billion in exports to the U.S. may be threatened. That ought to move talks along."

I agree very much, but our powers-that-be in politics will not do that. ...no way. They get paid today for what they lobby for. And the nuclear technology has already been sold to the terrorist regimes (see Russia, N. Korea's recent compact shot, Kim's ruse, and Iran).
7 posted on 10/12/2006 8:53:21 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: FairOpinion
It's time to give China an ultimatum and stick to it.

Yeah, right. I can see it now...

"Stop loaning us money, right this second!!!"
"Don't you DARE call our notes!!!"
"If you for one minute think you can blow our CPI by denying us cheap consumer goods, we'll, we'll, we'll..."

Uh-huh. Yep, we'll tell 'em.
8 posted on 10/12/2006 8:55:42 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: FairOpinion
We've shown China what a paper tiger we are. It will only embolden them.
9 posted on 10/12/2006 8:58:59 PM PDT by b4its2late (I'm not insensitive, I just don't care.)
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To: All

I just noticed this article:



Is China Disrupting U.S. Satellites?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718478/posts


Defense News, a trade newspaper, last week cited unnamed U.S. officials contending China has actually used lasers on several occasions over the past few years to test an ability to blind U.S. satellites.

“China not only has the capability, but has exercised it,” the publication reported Sept. 25.

Asked this week to respond to the assertions contained in the Defense News article, Cartwright said he would not address specifics “because it might lead our adversaries to speculate about our capabilities.”






If true, China is really trying to start a war with the US.


10 posted on 10/12/2006 8:59:35 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion
The Chinese need to be pulled aside and told: No more sales of nuclear technology to rogue states, or their $250 billion in exports to the U.S. may be threatened. That ought to move talks along.

Nonsense. Talk, talk,talk,blah,blah,bla.

No, the answer is allow South Korea, Japan and Taiwan to develop nukes and arm themselves. That would get China's attention and they'd pull the rug out from under North Korea.

11 posted on 10/12/2006 9:01:34 PM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigshit be upon him))
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To: Carry_Okie

Exactly.

I once had a very obnoxious customer who was also very very wealthy.

When he got mad, he would rant " Don't you know the Golden Rule?"

"He who has the gold rules."

"i've got the gold and I rule".

Like it or not, he was right.

That along with the fact that the people who bought Congress all have huge investments in China of one kind or another, we can't do anything except drop the big one and we will never do that because of SK.


12 posted on 10/12/2006 9:03:30 PM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: woodbutcher
we can't do anything except drop the big one and we will never do that because of SK.

Disagree there. NK has two light water reactors we helped them build that are the principle source of their fissile material. We built those reactors on the stipulation that they would not use them to build nuclear weapons. The quite apparent violation of that agreement is causus belli for us to deny them any remaining production capability.

That they have wasted an estimated half of their inventory on these last tests makes such measures all the more attractive.

13 posted on 10/12/2006 9:25:27 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Not having been educated in the necessary disciplines, I would assume as a layman that the US is not the only country with the know how to complete those installations.

Is that incorrect?

If that is all we have to do, surely we are not idiot enough to complete the job?

Or are we.


14 posted on 10/12/2006 9:31:04 PM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: FairOpinion
"The country (China) is responsible for much of the proliferation of nuclear technology to terrorist states in recent years."

Even the old Soviet Union wasn't this stupid - giving away the nuclear genie to client states. The Russians knew it could come back to bite them.

China has a Muslim minority and has borders with Islamic states. Can they really be certain that they will always be immune from nuclear terrorism just because they provided the know-how?

All China has to do is look at the appreciation Muslims show America for helping Muslims in the Balkans, the Horn of Africa, and the Near East.

If this is just to poke America in the eye, then China's plans are incredibly short-sighted. They are truly playing with fire.

15 posted on 10/12/2006 9:31:41 PM PDT by etcetera (‘War is permanently established until the Day of the Judgment’. Mohammed)
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To: FairOpinion
It's time to give China an ultimatum and stick to it.

I agree with your comment, 100%! I'm not holding my breath but it's time that we gave China and Russia a reality check.

16 posted on 10/12/2006 9:33:32 PM PDT by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: woodbutcher
Not having been educated in the necessary disciplines, I would assume as a layman that the US is not the only country with the know how to complete those installations.

True, but they're effectively ours to blow up because they blew the deal.

If that is all we have to do, surely we are not idiot enough to complete the job?

You misunderstand me. They're up and running because Clinton chipped in to help. That's how NK got the fissile material for the weapons they just set off. They have enough left for at most four more.

Best we forcibly halt production, now.

17 posted on 10/12/2006 9:37:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
That will not happen.

Reason being that we have people in government that are looking for the perfect solution.

There is no perfect solution to anything in this world. You buy a car, your bank account takes a licking.

You fire that sorry employee, you have to train a new one and probably do your job and his for most of a year.

You fight, you get hurt.

We drop a bomb on those plants, 2 million (I think I read) NK troops swarm SK and no one in DC has that much guts.

Now if you were to drop four or five nukes in a pattern across NK, you would probably decimate them to the point that SK would be able to defend themselves, but who has got the guts to do that?

I would be more inclined to time a drop to one of those big goose stepping parades we see on TV regularly. The runt is always there.

But we don't have the nerve.

I think it would first be necessary to load Japan, Taiwan and whoever else with nukes first. That would make retaliation less likely.
18 posted on 10/12/2006 9:57:34 PM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: FairOpinion
"punishment should not be the purpose"

Actually, in this alone, the Chinese are right.

Punishment is not the purpose of sanctions, it is the means to an end, not an end in itself.

But, in the seeking of those ends, punishment must be meted out, and the meted out rigorously, relentlessly, unflinchingly, and forever - or until there is the desired changes made by the DPRK.

19 posted on 10/12/2006 11:10:02 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Kitten Festival

Shhh! Kitten.

Not so loud. Everyone wants to ignore the Axes of Evil and make no connection to our war on global terrorism to China, Russia, all the Middle-East oil countries and Islamic extremist organizations or the many other members of the UN, (France,Germany,etc.) who are clearly participating in documented actively against us.

They only want us to act like North Korea is a "bad boy" who we need to be more diplomatic with.

Oh yeah. And it's really all the doing of Cowboy Bush, Cheney and rich oil companies along with Halliburton.


20 posted on 10/12/2006 11:53:54 PM PDT by CBart95
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