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US fears 'hell' of a response
au ^ | October 12, 2006 | Mark Dunn

Posted on 10/11/2006 7:03:38 PM PDT by Flavius

PLANS previously drafted by the Pentagon predict 52,000 US military casualties and one million civilian dead in the first 90 days of conflict if America attacked Pyongyang. The US leadership is looking at international economic and diplomatic sanctions against North Korea as its primary response to Monday's nuclear test.

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KEYWORDS: exterminatethepests; getitoverwith; goodbyechiapet; kimjongmakesusill; northkorea
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To: airborne

So am I! I love the FReeper Collective! :-)


41 posted on 10/11/2006 7:20:27 PM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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To: 2banana
I don't get it. There are not even 52,000 American troops stationed in Korea. The first 90 days would be carpet bombing anyways. Then the ROK army would go in.

Don't kid yourself. NK has one of the strongest land armies in the world. We would probably need to resort to tactical nukes in order to defeat them. I don't know how many troops we have there but we would suffer very badly.

42 posted on 10/11/2006 7:20:53 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Are nukes are much cleaner today. Better to get hit with the radiation of our nukes hitting NK than radiation AND BLAST hitting US.


43 posted on 10/11/2006 7:20:55 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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To: 185JHP

You know, at this stage, I don't see the deterrence effect of our troops on the DMZ. This crazy little lunatic, if he has a nuclear device will unhessitatingly use it at a moments notice.


44 posted on 10/11/2006 7:22:07 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Flavius

Stratfor's undoubtedly correct analysis of the NK artillery capacity within range of Seoul is the reason that any attack on NK has to begin with a tactical nuclear equivalent of carpet bombing of all NK military positions within artillery range fo Seoul, and all NK missile emplacements. (On top of the usual measures to gain air supremacy.)

(Heck, even my wife, who is usually almost pacifist and suffers from a mild case of BDS was advocating nuclear first strike against NK when they were running missile tests, so there might be enough political support for it in the US. Trouble is, SK has to be in, or its a non-starter.)


45 posted on 10/11/2006 7:22:20 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Nope, sorry, nothing will ever make the Somme look like a family picnic.
46 posted on 10/11/2006 7:22:47 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Flavius
With my plan, there would be zero dead Americans.

Truman had the right idea.

47 posted on 10/11/2006 7:22:59 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: SpaceBar
"These are the same sort of "experts" who were were calculating how many would die in the trenches, and how long the Maginot line would hold should the Germans attack."

And those experts are also the ones drawing up the battle plans. So if they are so incompetent, we'd probably lose anyway.
48 posted on 10/11/2006 7:23:18 PM PDT by Gradient Vector
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To: TomasUSMC

I'm guessing some MOABs would do the trick!


49 posted on 10/11/2006 7:23:32 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Cobra64

"Truman had the right idea."

And Truman faught a war against Korea, and he didn't nuke them.


50 posted on 10/11/2006 7:23:55 PM PDT by Gradient Vector
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To: airborne

They said that during the Gulf War I there would be north of 100,000 US KIA.


51 posted on 10/11/2006 7:24:07 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
SK is right over the border.

Seoul, a mega city, is built up virtually right to the DMZ. Folks who have never been there would have to see it to believe it.

The battle would be ugly. But then again, North Korea has no effective air force and there is a fair chance the North Korean army would implode into chaos and disorganization.

52 posted on 10/11/2006 7:25:28 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: bannie
I love the FReeper Collective! :-)

You will be assimilated!

Resistance is futile!

53 posted on 10/11/2006 7:26:16 PM PDT by airborne (Gee Dub is 'Da Man!)
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To: airborne; don-o; Pylon; Fiddlstix
It is at least 12 years old.

http://www1.korea-np.co.jp/pk/012th_issue/97100803.htm

""If war broke out in Korea, his military leaders told him, they estimated that it would cost 52,000 U.S. military casualties, killed or wounded, and 490,000 south Korean military casualties in the first 90 days," Oberdorfer writes. North Korean casualties would be enormous, Clinton was told, and U.S. financial outlays would be tens of billions of dollars, he says."

There is no such thing as a FRee Lunch. Have You stopped by and Bumped the FReepathon??

54 posted on 10/11/2006 7:26:29 PM PDT by bwteim (Support FReeRepublic. Stop by and Bump the FReepathon Thread Today.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Sooo, use smaller nukes. Do we still have nuke tipped artillery?
55 posted on 10/11/2006 7:26:47 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Coyoteman

It could be worse than that. Our past two opponents were Hussein's Iraq and the Taliban.

Iraq is a desert country with a highly centralized population along the Tigris/Euphrates river valley. This combines to give a swift moving distance engaging force with air dominance a huge advantage. Of course that Hussein was the clown prince of misunderestimation helped.

The Taliban were in a mountainous country with little technology, no artillery, no infrastructure, and a population who supports whoever seems to be winning.

North Korea militarily has dated but servicable equipment, mountainous terrain, 10,000 pieces of artillery, a navy, a air force, a special operations component. NBC warfare capability (questionable on th "N" though). A population that may or may not support their opressors.

Further North Korea could wipe out Seoul, South Korea with the 3,000 to 4,000 artillery pieces in range.

Our side (counting South Korea, Japanese, and USA as our side) could lose the amount mentioned in the first few hours of the war.

The question is what would be the war aims of North Korea?

Completely taking over South Korea would be beyond the North's capability by itself. Destroyning Seoul and negotiating an end to hostilities is much more likely.


56 posted on 10/11/2006 7:27:19 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (World's newest Freeper, Andrew Wyatt born October 8, 2006)
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To: Cicero

"What good would it do to starve even more of them?"

Aid to a totalitarian government doesn't help it's people to begin with. You're only feeding tyranny. The people see little benefit.


57 posted on 10/11/2006 7:27:58 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Thanks again, Harry Truman for not letting MacArthur finish the job.

Might have been helpful if MacArthur hadn't incompetently ignored numerous warnings of Chicom troops being in North Korea before that.

58 posted on 10/11/2006 7:28:18 PM PDT by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: TomasUSMC
Are nukes are much cleaner today.

Actually,chemical weapons are the way to go.

They can be designed to become inert after 30 minutes.

59 posted on 10/11/2006 7:28:51 PM PDT by airborne (Gee Dub is 'Da Man!)
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To: airborne

Too late for me! I'm 1952 of 2006.

:-)


60 posted on 10/11/2006 7:29:45 PM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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