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Confederate Flag Clothing Causes Controversy
WSBTV.com ^ | 10-6-2006 | WSBTV

Posted on 10/10/2006 5:08:28 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo

The principal at a Fayette County middle school has banned all clothing with the confederate flag emblem...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: cbf; confederate; crossofsaintandrew; dixie; education; saintandrewscross; schools; segregation; southernheritage
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To: rustbucket
Article V. Psst.... We've been here before

Yeah, I know. Article I and Aricle IV, remember? You dismiss my implied powers and now you want respect for the implied powers of your's? Please.

361 posted on 10/17/2006 10:31:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Article V is not an implied power. Secession is a reserved power since it was not prohibited by the Constitution.


362 posted on 10/17/2006 11:08:07 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Article V is not an implied power. Secession is a reserved power since it was not prohibited by the Constitution.

Neither Article V, nor any other article, says a state cannot be expelled by the other states. Try this, if it makes it easier for you. Don't think of it as one state being expelled by the other states. Think of it as every other state seceding from that one.

363 posted on 10/17/2006 11:28:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Neither Article V, nor any other article, says a state cannot be expelled by the other states.

Bwahahahahahaha! What a galoot! The Constitution EXPRESSLY ['that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate'] prohibits a state from being kicked out.

364 posted on 10/17/2006 12:30:05 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: 4CJ
What a galoot! The Constitution EXPRESSLY ['that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate'] prohibits a state from being kicked out.

OK then, since you can't come up with anything in the Constitution that EXPRESSLY prohibits a state from being expelled why not try and wrap your 9 volt brain around what I suggested to your buddy? Don't think of it as one state being expelled, think of it as 49 states seceding from the 50th. Is that OK?

Think hard now. But don't hurt yourself.

365 posted on 10/17/2006 12:38:10 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rustbucket
There was a CSA regiment raised in Cleveland Tennessee, the 36th Tennessee, known as the squirrel brigade because of the prevalence of squirrel rifles among the arms. Unfortunately for the local Confederates, the regiment was reflective of the politics of the area and most of the men were Unionists who deserted in mass to the Yankees when marched up to Cumberland Gap. I had a great great grandfather in that regiment for a while, and when he got back home he named his wartime son BROWNLOW- the name of the Tennessee firebrand Unionist and later Reconstruction Republican governor. Not a name that a good Confederate soldier would give his baby. :)
366 posted on 10/17/2006 1:16:42 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

You can kiss my .308.


367 posted on 10/17/2006 1:18:15 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Non-Sequitur
OK then, since you can't come up with anything in the Constitution that EXPRESSLY prohibits a state from being expelled ...

Already have. Sorry about you reading comphrension problem.

... why not try and wrap your 9 volt brain around what I suggested to your buddy? Don't think of it as one state being expelled, think of it as 49 states seceding from the 50th. Is that OK?

Then secede, form a NEW union (as did the CSA). But per Lincoln's insane logic, the remaining state can nuke those seceding to oblivion to "maintain the union".

P.S. I typed real slow for you, and made sure I used little words. ;o)

368 posted on 10/17/2006 2:17:55 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: Non-Sequitur
somewhere you village is glad their particular idiot is MISSING & lost in the wilds of KS.

i will say something GOOD about "Bubba". he's VASTLY more intelligent than the rest of the unionists and MUCH smarter than the members of the "DAMNyankee coven"!

btw, N-S are you getting LONELY without your coven of LUNATICS, who are NOW over on DU, since they got BANNED for being CREEPS, bigots & at least ONE outright racist?????

FR is MUCH more civil without them!

free dixie,sw

369 posted on 10/17/2006 2:23:28 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
the power to "raise military forces for the common defense".

the Constitution does NOT enumerate the different sorts of forces that might be "raised". the FOUNDERS were SMART, but their crystal balls were broken when the Constitution was written, as they didn't foresee flying, space travel, lasers, computers, etc.

free dixie,sw

370 posted on 10/17/2006 2:26:09 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: 4CJ
Already have. Sorry about you reading comphrension problem.

I don't think I'm the one with the comprehension problem, not with all the corrections I've had to do on your posts over the years.

Then secede, form a NEW union (as did the CSA).

Leaving the remaining state with all the debt and obligations, appropriating all the property of the old Union they care to walk away with, and generally ignoring any concerns that the remaining state may have. Also as the csa did. Given all that, the remaining state might have preferred to be expelled instead.

But per Lincoln's insane logic, the remaining state can nuke those seceding to oblivion to "maintain the union".

Only if the 49 leaving states shoot things up on their way out the door, like the csa did. But even if they did then I have a sneaking suspicion that regardless of what state happens to be the remaining one, those leaving would actually be able to win their rebellion. Unlike the csa.

371 posted on 10/17/2006 2:31:21 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
the power to "raise military forces for the common defense".

I don't see where that phrase is found in the Constitution. Is that an implied power? I see where Congress can fund an an army and a navy, but not an air force. Must be illegal then, since only explicit powers are allowed in your world.

372 posted on 10/17/2006 2:33:00 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
nope. not me. otoh, if you "get in bed" with "the unionists" and/or (particularly) the "DAMNyankee coven", YOU will become a "target of opportunity" for COMMON RIDICULE!

face it, most of what you evidently "know" about the WBTS & the 19th century is based on KNOWING lies, out of the REVISIONIST/socialist/LEFTIST lunatic fringe of academia. had you propounded ANY of what you've said so far "on forum" on ANY campus 4 decades ago (when i was a student), you would have been laughed off the campus & branded as a FOOL. face it "Bubba" what you've been spoon-fed in school is divided about equally into two groups: KNOWING LIES & SELF-righteous, brainLESS bilge (dreamed up by the left to FOOL the IGNORANT!).

go do some real research on the WBTS & we'll talk again.

free dixie,sw

373 posted on 10/17/2006 2:33:42 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Non-Sequitur
oddly enough, i think you'll find that the COAST GUARD isn't mentioned by name either. nobody but a FOOL or a DUNCE would question that armed force's existence either. (the USCG was in existence when the Constitution was written.)

care to "rethink" this SILLY argument of yours, too??? (it's NOT the FIRST DUMB argument you've tried to sell on FR, but it's close to being the LEAST believable.)

free dixie,sw

374 posted on 10/17/2006 2:37:35 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I have a copy of an 1860 letter from an ancient Tennessee ancestor of mine. The letter mentions Brownlow but didn't give an opinion of him. I don't know the politics of this ancestor, but his children and relatives all fought for the Confederates. He was a county official and never had a slave that I know of.


375 posted on 10/17/2006 2:41:58 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: stand watie
had you propounded ANY of what you've said so far "on forum" on ANY campus 4 decades ago blah blah blah

I haven't propounded anything. All I've done is to question what you propound, which seems wildly inconsistent and lacking in support. The fact that you're now resorting to ad hominem attacks rather than trying to support your argument can be seen as evidence that you realize your position is ultimately unsupportable.

And that's something that I DID learn in college.

376 posted on 10/17/2006 2:47:10 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: 4CJ
actually, "Mr Minister" is plenty SMART (unlike the other members of the "unionist contingent" on FR). he just is a PROPAGANDIST for the REVISIONIST/SOCIALIST northeastern elites.(the rest of the "DY coven" are SO DUMB that they don't know that he IS a propagandist. they swallow his bilge, nonsense, lies & evasions & think that it's ambrosia.)

understand that & you can deal with him. at least he's NOT either an IDIOT, a BIGOT and/or a RACIST, as several of the "DAMNyankee coven" members ARE!

free dixie,sw

377 posted on 10/17/2006 2:53:04 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: stand watie
oddly enough, i think you'll find that the COAST GUARD isn't mentioned by name either. nobody but a FOOL or a DUNCE would question that armed force's existence either. (the USCG was in existence when the Constitution was written.)

According to the Coast Guard website, the earliest antecedent of the USCG, the Lighthouse Service, was founded in 1789. The Revenue Cutter Service was authorized by congress in 1790, under the Treasury Department. The name "Coast Guard" didn't come into existence until 1915., when the Revenue Cutter Service and the Life-Saving Service were combined. Do you have evidence that it existed prior to 1787?

378 posted on 10/17/2006 2:59:39 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: stand watie
oddly enough, i think you'll find that the COAST GUARD isn't mentioned by name either.

Even more oddly you will find that the Coast Guard is not considered a branch of the military. It is not part of the Department of Defense and not under control of the military except in time of war. The Constitutional justification of the Coast Guard can be found in Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.

379 posted on 10/17/2006 6:32:53 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rustbucket
What part of Tennessee was your relative from? Brownlow was an old Whig as well as a Unionist and Whigs were often not a big hit in the western 2/3s of the state.

But in the East, he was very popular figure and a high profile personality.

380 posted on 10/18/2006 3:39:42 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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