Amen.
While we are at it, we should add this group to the list of terrorist supporters.
Posted on 10/08/2006 10:21:48 PM PDT by epow
Hurray for Michigan State Univ
This is true -- http://www.snopes.com/ Professor Wichman E-mail Claim: A Michigan professor sent an e-mail telling Muslim students to leave the country Status: True.
Professor Wichman E-mail Hooray for Michigan State University (The Spartans) and Professor Wichman!
Well, what do we have here. Looks like a small case of some people being able to dish it out, but not take it. Let's start at the top. The story begins at Michigan State University with a mechanical engineering professor named Indrek Wichman.
Wichman sent an e-mail to the Muslim Student's Association. The e-mail was in response to the students' protest of the Danish cartoons that portrayed the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist. The group had complained the cartoons were "hate speech."
Enter Professor Wichman. In his e-mail, he said the following:
Dear Moslem Association:
As a professor of Mechanical Engineering here at MSU I intend to protest your protest.
I am offended not by cartoons, but by more mundane things like beheadings of civilians, cowardly attacks on public buildings, suicide murders, murders of Catholic priests (the latest in Turkey!), burnings of Christian churches, the continued persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt, the imposition of Sharia law on non-Muslims, the rapes of Scandinavian girls and women (called "whores" in your culture), the murder of film directors in Holland, and the rioting and looting in Paris, France.
This is what offends me, a soft-spoken person and academic, and many, many, many of my colleagues. I counsel you dissatisfied, aggressive, brutal, and uncivilized slave-trading Moslems to be very aware of this as you proceed with your infantile "protests." If you do not like the values of the West -- see the 1st Amendment -- you are free to leave. I hope for God's sake that most of you choose that option.
Please return to your ancestral homelands and build them up yourselves instead of troubling Americans.
Cordially, I. S. Wichman Professor of Mechanical Engineering
As you can imagine, the Muslim group at the university didn't like this too well. They're demanding that Wichman be reprimanded and mandatory diversity training for faculty and a seminar on hate and discrimination for freshman. Now the Michigan chapter of CAIR has jumped into the fray. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, apparently doesn't believe that the good professor had the right to express his opinion.
For its part, the university is standing its ground. They say the e-mail was private, and they don't intend to publicly condemn his remarks. That will probably change. Wichman says he never intended the e-mail to be made public and wouldn't have used the same strong language if he'd known it was going to get out.
How's the left going to handle this one? If you're in favor of the freedom of speech, as in the case of Ward Churchill, will the same protections be demanded for Indrek Wichman? I doubt it.
Send this to your friends, and ask them to do the same. Tell them to keep passing it around until the whole country gets it. We are in a war. This political correctness crap is getting old.
Amen.
While we are at it, we should add this group to the list of terrorist supporters.
That's MSU's phone number for directory information. They ought to be able to give you phone numbers for Wickman and/or the Dean of the College.
I thought the professor was being rather mild.
We have made a lot of muslims into good muslims since 911. They really succeeded into getting the attention they deserved. I think we are getting about 100 of them to every one of us. It should be a million to one.
He sent to a group of students AT the university so it was pretty much obvious where it was being sent from. He thought is was being sent to a single person but it was distributed to the entire 'muslim students assocation' and they continue to cry like pussies.
Although this will be preaching to the choir, we all know that the left is foresquare AGAINST free speech. They only support speech that supports their ideas, and they will fight tooth and nail to keep opposing ideas from ever getting out. It's part of the nature of the left. We've seen this over and over again. The whole concept of "political correctness" is anethema to the concept of free speech and open dialog, but it's a bastion of the left.
This is nothing new. Back in the 1980's at my college, SUNY @ Stony Brook, there were "hate speech" rules that pretty much said if you looked at another person the wrong way, it could get you a reprimand, or kicked off of campus. In my dorm, there was a room of 4 guys who were kicked off campus because a gay guy said that he heard loud laughter coming out of their room. He said that they were laughing about gay jokes, but he had to admit that he didn't actually hear the jokes he claimed they were telling. Still, he insisted, and the homosexual lobby at the school pressed it, and they were kicked off campus housing.
Interestingly enough, while the dorms were co-ed, the rooms were not. Rooms were either all male, or all female. However, homosexual lovers were allowed to live toghether, while heterosexual lovers were not, at least, not in campus housing...
Mark
They don't. They know even better than you and I about the duplicity, backstabbing, terror-supporting/enabling Saudis (our "friends and allies").
The reason the "cowards" (one and all, including W) are hiding under their desks and will NOT whisper so much as a derogatory remark against the Saudis--much less shout from the rooftops of their open treachery and call for an immediate cessation thereof, is: Can you spell O I L???
Did the Muslim students write the Declaration of Independence?
I didn't think so.
F' em.
All they want to do is make us live like them.
I will die a free man before I live as a slave.
And take a shitpot of them camelhumpers with me.
Why? He spoke the truth, and that is not against any law here.
he simply stated truth as well, that if you do not like this country, you are free to leave.
murderoud Muslims just can't handle the truths in his letter, and they have no case.
Then claiming that the e-mail was private was a moot point. If he wanted to communicate as a private person he could have used a private account and avoided all of the problems.
Mind you, I agree with the guy, but he invited the repercussions by making his identifying himself as he did.
BTTT.
Sorry, did not proof read, I meant:
but he invited the repercussions by making his identifying himself as he did.
The law and the truth have no relevance in the PC world, only what offends the selected and preferred thinkers as they self identify themselves.
Sure, he may be right and yes he could eventually win any case brought against him, but it will be a battle, his name will be sullied and it could cost him an arm and a leg.
But yes, you are right, no law was broken.
The statement was made in a TV interview yesterday, so I don't have any documentation to back it up. That's why I said that I "heard" instead of "I read".
Anyway, that statement was made by a Professor Ergun Caner of Liberty University who was born into a Turkish Muslim family which immigrated to the US when he was a child. He lived as a Muslim until he converted to Christianity as an adult. He is now a very outspoken critic of Islam in general and CAIR in particular. Since he teaches at Falwell's university he doesn't get much respect from the predominantly liberal American academic community, but he is a very intelligent and well spoken man.
His brother Emir who also converted from Islam to Christianity is a professor at the University of Texas and also took part in the interview. Together they make a very strong argument against allowing Islamic extremists into this country.
There is a brief Emir Caner bio at THIS site.
AMEN, AMEN AND AMEN!!!
The following is an excerpt taken from an article about Caner which turned up on a Google search that found it on Pat Robertson's website. Robertson may be slightly kooky, but this article doesn'tnecessarily mean that Caner endorses all of Pat's kookiness.:
Ergun is the oldest son of a Muslim mwazien. The mwazien is similar to a preacher. In 1982 when he was 16 years old, he attended a revival service in Columbus, Ohio, at the invitation of a high school friend and accepted Christ. Ergun started attending church on Monday, accepted Christ on a Thursday -- and had his first piece of ham at a Youth Afterglow activity days later.
When Ergun attended the mosque the next day, his youth group of Shiite Muslims "beat the tar out of me," he says. Ergun's parents were separated at the time (prior to a divorce), and when his father found out about his salvation, he confronted Ergun. When Ergun refused to repudiate his faith in Christ, his father disowned him -- by facing Mecca and praying a prayer of abandonment because it was embarrassing that his oldest son would accept Christ. Sadly this effectively ended their relationship. Ergun didn't see his father for 17 years, until three days before his dad's death in 1999.
Ergun's Swedish mother met and married a Turkish man . They relocated to the U.S .where the younger brothers were born. Ergun says he was called to preach one year after salvation (he began college at 16), becoming a pastor at age 17 to a small country church in Manchester, Kentucky.
He says it was a mystery to him that God would call him because at the time, Ergun didn't speak English very well and didn't fully understand the Scriptures. He felt that he was all alone because neither his mother, nor his grandmother, were Christians. But he gladly accepted the call, and led his brothers to Christ the same week of his salvation.
As the son of a mwazein, Ergun had to learn the hadith (the sayings and traditions of Muhammed, the Prophet of Islam) in the Qur'an. In these teachings, Ergun says the central thesis of Islam does in fact have an essential tenet of militaristic conquest at its heart. The infidel, or unbeliever, must be converted or conquered. If the Muslim dies in such a struggle or declaration of war (jihad), he is promised immediate translation into the highest level of paradise. Therefore, when pressed most Muslims would say that Mohamed Ata is in heaven according to the Qur'anic teaching.
The Qur'an, supposedly from the mouth of Allah, takes a dim view of the non-believer and a strict view of jihad as a warfare against them. In Surah 2:190, Allah says, "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you. And slay them wherever you catch them." Physical warfare is an absolute necessity so that Allah is honored and worshipped. Jihad is one of the highest calls of life for a Muslim. "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive hard and fight in the cause of Allah with their wealth and lives." Surah 4.95
According to the doctrine of jihad there are three waves of jihad. The first wave is the shock -- which was Sept 11.
The second wave is to show a people that they are vulnerable. It has to be public. "Daniel Pearl was killed on videotape," says Ergun. There is no question that group who killed Pearl is a subgroup of the radical Muslim fundamental group, Mujahdeen.
The third wave is to humiliate your enemy, to "cut the legs out from under them." "Thank God President Bush responded as he did," Ergun says. "If he had not, the second wave would have been much, much worse than the first." The Koran teaches that if your enemy is weak -- conquer him. If he is strong -- respect him. That means they keep going until they meet with resistance.
When asked if he believes Osama bin Laden is still alive, Ergun says yes. "He is considered to be a martyr in their faith. If he were dead, they would be hailing him."
"I must take this opportunity to side with Pat," says Ergun. "He cannot take these hits (from the media and press) alone." Ergun says the word "Islam" means "peace with Allah" not "peace with us." "We are the infidels and therefore the enemy," says Ergun.
He further explains that when a Christian blows up an abortion clinic, he does that in spite of the teachings of Jesus Christ. "Muslims perform jihad because of the teachings of Muhammed," declares Ergun. "Make no mistake, they are at war with us and these are not just radical Muslims."
Osama bin Laden is a Sunni Muslim, not a Shiite, which is considered the more radical of the two. When bin Laden is on television, he is quoting the Qur'an. "It is difficult to take the Qur'an out of context," says Ergun. Even to the casual reader, jihad is more than just an intellectual exercise of struggle, but rather an engagement in battle and struggle and warfare with death as a conclusion for the Muslim blessing.
Muhammad echoed this conclusion in Hadith 4.73 "Muhammed said, "Know that paradise is under the shades of the sword." For the Muslim apologists who redact the terminology to indicate that fighting is perhaps an intellectual debate must read Surah 2:216, "Fighting is prescribed for you, and you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows and you know not." It is impossible to determine that the text means anything but fighting in the traditional sense of combat.
A Muslim is a Muslim by birth, but many are illiterate. Therefore they must take the word of the imam, equivalent to a pastor, as truth. They cannot question the validity of what the imam says.
With reference to the recent Gallup poll, "they hate us," says Ergun. "And they cannot make the distinction between an American and a Christian because of the way they are brought up culturally. When you say a man is a Turk, it is understood that he is Muslim."
Ergun believes that the United States did not finish the job in the Gulf War. He believes that we will not end the war on terrorism without including Saddam Hussein, who is the major fundraiser for Islam. "If we do not go after him, this will never end," he says. "He will continue the jihad."
But in the midst of this turmoil, Ergun says this is the most incredible opportunity to witness to Muslims. They are beginning to understand their religion. Many do not want to be part of the violence and are coming to Christ. The difference between reaching them and not reaching them depends on the teaching of grace.
"The single most important thing to do is teach on grace," he says. To Muslims, the intimacy of God is so new. Teach them that they don't have to live in fear of the "scales of Allah," which are seen as actual scales (2 Surah 4). For the Muslims who fear the scales that measure their eternal damnation if weighted heavier for evil than good, this is the only true eternal security they have.
Christians should also know that Allah and God are not the same. "No serious or intellectual Muslim would say that Allah has a Son, that He is a Triune, nor that He is personal," Ergun says. Allah is Creator and Judge. Christ's attributes are so totally different. He is loving, kind, gracious, and forgiving.
As a Christian, Ergun is offended when he hears people say that God and Allah are the same. Many think getting to God is like getting to Chicago. You can get there by plane, train or auto. It doesn't matter what path you take, as long as you get there. Ergun calls this the "Oprahization" of American culture.
On October 19, 2001, Ergun spoke before the UN at the Subcommittee on Cultural Affairs. As an expert on Islam and one who speaks Arabic, he is being invited to participate in even more high-level projects on this area. There are only 20 former Muslims who are now preachers in America; there are only eight (and Ergun is one of them) who are professors of theology.
I kinda like the fact that he didn't hide himself. The whole public/private part was simply that he thought he was replying to an individual and not 'all muslims'. He has tenure so there isn't anything they can do to him. its about time a non-commie professor uses tenure to say some incredibly unpopular things on a college campus. Typically, its some nutbag prof. explaining that Rummy and Cheney were behind 9/11 or that the people who died at the WTC were 'little eichmanns'.
The third wave is to humiliate your enemy, to "cut the legs out from under them." "Thank God President Bush responded as he did," Ergun says. "If he had not, the second wave would have been much, much worse than the first." The Koran teaches that if your enemy is weak -- conquer him. If he is strong -- respect him. That means they keep going until they meet with resistance.
Islam isn't meeting enough resistance IMHO. They believe that if they hold out long enough in Iraq the next Congress will probably cut the funding that Bush needs to continue fighting the jihadists in Iraq. I think that if we pull out of Iraq before the job is done they will see that as Allah telling them to strike us again even harder than they did on 9/11.
I'm not happy with a lot of what this Congress has and hasn't done, but supporting the WOT has to take precedence over all other considerations in this next election. If Pelosi, Rangel, and Murtha take over Congress I'm afraid Bush will be forced to at least severely cut back on the war, if not forced to pull out altogether. If that happens we will either be still fighting those fanatics when our kids are grandparents themselves, or we will be living under Sharia law here in the USA. Neither option is acceptable to me.
Wichman should make them an offer: He'll withdraw his suggestion that the Islamo-Terrorist-Abettors (ITA's) leave if he can get approval from the Islamic Authorities to extend the right live in the city of Mecca and to condemn the concept of Dhimmitude and apologize for 1,300 years of dhimminess.
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