Hating the TSA

Muth's Truths ^ | 10/8/2006 | Chuck Muth

[endthematrix]

"And prior to which [1969] there weren't any hijackings to speak of."

I wonder what those other 40% are? I guess it all depends on what the meaning of "speak of" is.

In October 21 1958, a group of castrist rebelds seize a DC-3 of Cubana de Aviación with 14 persons. The airship flew for the province of Oriente and was obliged to land in a trail dominated by the Guerrillas. According to the revolutionaries, with this hicjacking they want receive the attention of the United States Government, so that it did not send more weapons to the General Fulgencio Batista.

In November 1, 1958, the guerrillas hickjack another airship with 20 persons, in the route Miami - Havana - Varadero. This airplane Viscount-755 is diverted to Oriente near Holguín, and the hicjackers obliged the crew to landed in a trail of the United Fruit Company, near the Preston town. But cannot land in this trail by their reduced dimensions, they began to fly in circles in the night, they could not see the trail. When see that remained few fuel, they decided to land, erring the trail for 3 kilometers, and falling to the sea, in the Bay of Nipe. Dying 17 persons, and 3 passengers remained injured, but alive. The guerrillas asked excuses and indicated that their intention was that US did not deliver more weapons to the General Batista, besides they not were done responsible for the action of some isolated revolutionaries.

November 5, 1958, the guerrillas return to operate and hijacking a DC-3 of Cubana (flight 482), piloted by Assembling Pïedra, that flew the route Manzanillo to Holguín. There was 25 passengers and 3 crew. The airplane lands in the rebelds zone.

If you are speaking of only US hijackings why cite your source which gives global hijackings -when was the first US hijacking? Not in 1947.

[Sarajevo]

The TSA is the most incompetent bureaucracy ever devised by man.

Agreed!

[WoofDog123]

"None of these people quoted here had any experience in dealing with Islam. "

I think that their solution would have been to forcibly deport all muslims from the colonies or states.

[WoofDog123]

CID actually confiscated a small hex-wrench (like 1/2" size) that I had been carrying around on several prior flights from MIA and FLL..

[Knitebane]

Ooooooh! Three hijackings in 1958! In Cuba! A country in the midst of a civil war with fanatical communist groups. What a shocker.

As compared to dozens per year from 1968 to 1973, the total number for those years being 364. The numbers slacked off a bit after 1973 mostly due to (get this) an large increase in the number of armed air marshalls.

Wow. People with guns on airplanes makes flying safer. Who'da thunk it?

So, pre-1968 not that much to speak of. Some yes, but a drop in a bucket compared to post 1968.

[endthematrix]

"And prior to which there weren't any hijackings to speak of."

"So, pre-1968 not that much to speak of. "

How'd I guess that you'd move the goal posts?

[Knitebane]

How'd I guess that you'd move the goal posts?

What goal posts?

I said that pre-1968 there weren't any hijackings to speak of.

That's a euphemism for "not many."

I'm sorry if you're having trouble understanding. I can use smaller words if you like.

[endthematrix]

No, it's late. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers.

[Knitebane]

No problem.

Sorry if I responded too harshly.

[dhuffman@awod.com]

Utterly amazing responses. Elsewhere I'm discussing with a correspondent that sees no infringement of the 2A!

Good people should be armed where they will.

[durasell]

Good people should be armed where they will.




How do you only arm "good people?"

[BlackbirdSST]

None of these people quoted here had any experience in dealing with Islam.

BS! Blackbird.

[durasell]

None of these people quoted here had any experience with commercial aviation.

[Reform4Bush]

I don't think the procedures are invasive at all.

In fact, I feel more at ease knowing the TSA is taking these threats seriously and reducing the chances that the plane I or my loved ones are flying in.

God Bless the TSA

[HiTech RedNeck]

Dead people from up to 200 years ago is why this republic exists, buster.

Anyhow, the "not just any old clear plastic bag but only OUR kind of clear plastic bag" rule sounds like a bureaucracy in the early stages of dealing with a new problem. TSA in general was that way in the early years following the 9/11 attacks, then it eased some of the sillier rules.

[MarkL]

We went through Dulles security and Lindbergh last week with two carry ons and two checked bags and things moved quick, it wasn't a big deal at all. They handled everyone professionally and swiftly. Just put the liquids in your check in bags. It was a five to ten minute process. Everything we took with us we came home with. It just rides in a different part of the plane.

That only works if you check your bags. The last 3 times I checked my bags on an airliner, my bags got lost. I did get them back, however, twice it was the following day, and once it was 2 days later. I figured that "the third time was the charm," and only take carry on now. Thankfully, I don't travel often anymore. But I've come to the decision that if you've got something that you absolutely, positively need to have immediately at your destination, and you will need to check it through on the airlines, well, that's why G-d invented FedEx!

Mark

[MarkL]

And how does requiring people to use government-approved sandwich bags for their toothpaste in any way relate to dealing with Islam?

What I want to know is if they confiscated his toothpaste, did they also confiscate the clear, non-approved bag? And just why is it that one clear bag is approved, and another isn't? And how is it that taking deadly toothpaste from a non-approved, clear bag, and putting into a government approved clear-bag, purchased at the gift shop, renders that deadly toothpaste safe for travel?

Mark

[durasell]

I would imagine that some manner of uniformity speeds the process along. Having seen packages slide into the carousel tied with rope, bungy cords and kite string, it isn't hard to imagine some nitwit using a 50 gallon clear plastic bag for a tube of toothpaste and a lipstick.

[Mad Dawg]

Random musings:

• I've "worked the metal detector" for hours at Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court. It's a terrible job.
• Is flying on a private carrier a right? You're risking your life; they're risking a gazillion dollar airplane. I'm not sure how to think about this.
• It's easy to talk about how somebody else is doing something poorly. I'd like to see some ideas about how to do it properly.
• Especially, since for sheer excruciating pain it's hard to choose between working the metal detector and hitting myself on the head with a mallet, how do you hire and compensate and afford to compensate good, intelligent security personnel?
• Having searched a number of folks with varying degrees of invasiveness (but most of these were incarcerated) I am able to say with a little authority that the most professional and well done search I've ever been a part of was done by a TSA guy in Monroe, LA when I was done playing with the Red Cross a year ago.
• We're a nation at war; doesn't that legitimate increased security? We quit interning people after VJ day. My guess is when we win this war, the pent up sense of outrage will lead to the rapid dismantling of the TSA.

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[BlackbirdSST]

None of these people quoted here had any experience with commercial aviation.

WOW! Now that's a revelation. Of course it has nothing to do with, they didn't know Islam, does it!? Blackbird.