Finland's Nazi Past

Serbianna ^ | September 13, 2006 | Carl Savich

[Honorary Serb]

Finland was NOT Nazi during WWII, but was caught between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, and trying to survive as an independent democratic nation. They did very well at that, all things considered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim

As at least some Freepers know, I am a great admirer of the Finnish school of Luther research, and its efforts in uncovering the Orthodox roots of Lutheranism, and in dialogue between Lutherans and Orthodox. I also admire the WWII Finnish leader Mannerheim.

However, Martti Ahtisaari is a pipsqueak New World Order international-fascist front man, of the order of Javier Solana of Spain, James Rubin (US), Jamie Shea (UK) and the various UN/EU procurators of "Bosnia" and Kosovo. He in no way deserves to be associated with the noble Finns I mentioned above, but only with other NWO Eurotrash!

And poor Finland, despite its wonderful Lutheran and Orthodox heritage, is now just another post-Christian Euro country mainly known for its manufacture of mobile phones. It needs to recover its Christian faith, the sooner, the better. At least (unlike several other Euro countries further west) it does have people within its borders who (by the help of God) can help it with this recovery.

[G8 Diplomat]

There are probably Nazi-like people in every country, not just Finland. Heck there are Nazis here. They're called Democrats. Still though, it's wrong to be honoring them for siding with the fascists, though their communist alternative wasn't any better. Finland fought against the Soviets simply to keep them from taking their land, they weren't all necessarily siding with the Nazis.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

Odd that they were not considered Aryan

Finnish is part of the Finno-Ugrian group of their Uralic language family. Estonian and Magyar (Hungarian) are its best known cousins.

[infidel_pride]

"........where Slobo sent about a million Kovovars on the road out."

Hmmmm. Let me guess. You just made that number up didn't you?

And if not, care to show from the ICTY trial against Milosevic where that number came from?

[Torie]

You might not like it, but that is the the ball park number. Sue me.

[infidel_pride]

".....Slobo's hands are as "clean" as that Pope during the Hitler regime, who cleansed them near hourly, as a sort of fetish, to ward off the germs. Of course."

You're on a role Torie, now you're comparing Kosovo '98 and '99 with Hitler.

Hmmmm!

Is the belittling of Hitler's crimes by accident or by design?

Anyway, a wonderful understanding of history. Keep up the good work, Torie.

[sheik yerbouty]

It should be pointed out that Mannerheim, Finland's leader, warned the Third Reich about trying to implement their antisemitic policies in Finland.

[getoffmylawn]

I don't refer to him as "Hop-ultralite" for nuthin'.

[tgambill]

"re-elect Vojislav Seselj, a living and breathing war criminal, as their leader."

***** Uh, m'kay, and I suppose Ceku, Ramush and Thaqi are part of a Muslim Choir for Allah? Mafia kingpins who have murdered their way from dirty nosed simple criminals to war criminals, murdering Albanians who are witnesses against them, and hundreds of innocent Serbs since 1999. I would say, three to one is a bit one sided.

Oh, by the way, I finished that research to the tune of 19 pages.......it's a scary thing about Pearl Harbor. I almost wish I hadn't of done the research.

[tgambill]

Your answer is correct...as I discovered this weekend. However, they still did the Nazi thing. They dont' need to be honored.

[tgambill]

Just keep in mind, the Albanians from kosovo formed their own Nazi SS group under Nazi mentorship. They murdered thousands of Serbs, Jews etc...the Serbs were on our side and aided American flyers. The BS propaganda Albanians have produced, ie. the Serb cutting the throat of an unidentified boy poster. The picture was purposely mislabled as a Serb soldier murdering an Unknown Albanian boy. In reality, it was a staged photo by the Serb soldier as a sick joke for personal use. The "boy" was his nephew and the "blood" was ketchup. The photo was found in 1999, after Albanians took over the serb's house and turned it around as a picture of an Albanians being murdered. There are many more examples.

Stop with the insults and give facts..........to counter.

[tgambill]

"The Croats and Albanians joined with the Nazis to destroy Jews, Gypsies and Serbians."

Exactly.....in WWII, they called the Albanian SS group the Skenderburg Division. Ironically, it's the same name they had for the group of Albanians NLA fighters north of Skopje, in 2001 to 2002 during the Macedonian conflict and uprising. This followed the emergence and terrorist activities of the UCPMB. We (USA) had advisors on both sides. (Macedonian forces and NLA rebel groups)...

[tgambill]

May I interject a point, it's like the USA giving up New Mexico to Mexico just because New Mexico, if it had a majority of Mexicans decided to annex New Mexico, form their own army and government, and murdered many of the non-mexicans there.......Exactly the same thing. Also, the Serbs were there first and it holds dear to being their Jerusulem with all the Churches, grave yards, history, and ancestors going back centuries past Albanians. In South Serbia they've had no problems the entire time. In one case, the Albanians in South Serbia threatened Shifket Misliu, (UCPMB Commander) with his life if ever came back over to recruit and start trouble in the Presevo Valley during 1999 to 2001....timeframe.

Our entrance into Kosovo was made under false pretense to the tune of 10,000 murdered K-Albanians which was a total fabrication by the Clinton Administration. There must be something wrong if they have to fabricate justifications.

[HostileTerritory]

Exactly the same thing.

Except for the obvious difference that Kosovo would be an independent state, NOT a province of Albania. Perhaps a better analogy would be Hawaiian independence, after all, Kosovo has been part of an independent Serbia for less time than Hawaii has been part of the U.S. And if the U.S. were legally, culturally, and politically a white-dominated state, and Hawaiians all spoke a different language and had their universities shut down and white people parachuted in from the mainland to run all the government jobs. Am I getting closer?

[HostileTerritory]

You are right about Serbia's history as an ally of the West and a victim of neighbors in World War II. It is a tragedy that fifty years later, Slobodan Milosevic destroyed Serbia's reputation and moral values and forced America to intervene in order to stop a humanitarian catastrophe. The people of Serbia deserved better than to have that criminal drag their name through the mud of Kosovo.

[tgambill]

yes sir.....:) However, they are certainly heading to the 1948 dream of the balli Kombetar movement, for a Greater Albania. The Kosovoar Albanians don't really want this, however, they have no say so. The Mafia leadership with is dominate even over NATO and the US, will want it to ensure a criminal empire called Greater Albania. The Serbs will be fair game and the attacks in Macedonia and Southern Presevo will begin. This has been the promise of world powers to keep that carrot of Greater Albania alive and keeping them friendly to the one holding that power. Now, the independent Kosovo may very well be delayed and may not happen at all. This is what i warned folks about back then, 1999-2004....that the Islamic Fundies will be allowed to start terrorist actions of the International community pisses them off......

Kosovo s independence to create dangerous precedent- aide

07.10.2006, 07.00

BAD BOLL, Germany, October 7 (Itar-Tass) -- If Kosovo’s independence is recognised despite Serbia’s will, this will create a “very negative” precedent in international relations, Russian presidential aide Sergei Yastrzhembsky said.

“Kosovo is a severe challenge to the international community and a very important acid test for the wisdom of the world community. If Kosovo’ s independence is recognised despite Serbia’s will, this will create a very negative precedent in international relations,” Yastrzhembsky said at the conference “Russia and Germany” Hopes and Misunderstandings” on Friday.

http://itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=10864823&PageNum=0

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Quote:
Circa 1998:
There's a military insurrection that is taking shape, backed by the members of the Albania Diaspora in Germany, Switzerland, and right here in New York City, where a lot of Albanians and Albanian-Americans are sending a lot of money and support to Kosovo. (Gosh - NYC? -SG)

Holbrooke: An independent Kosovo would "unravel Southeastern Europe."

JIM LEHRER: And they want an independent Kosovo ruled by Albanians, right?

RICHARD HOLBROOKE: Yes. And more. I met with several Albanian leaders in Kosovo who said their goal is an independent Kosovo, their goal is to recreate the Greater Albania that existed briefly during the 30's and 40's, which includes Albania, Kosovo, and part of Macedonia. That, I can tell you, Jim, would unravel Southeastern Europe and dramatically increase the chances of a general war. And that's why the situation is both not the same as Bosnia and why it's so dangerous.

I really need to stress this point so people do not misunderstand it. The Kosovo Albanians have been very badly treated for over a decade by the Serb minority in Kosovo. Their rights have been denied and the Yugoslav federal constitution was changed to reduce their powers. This was entirely wrong, and it led to the inevitable reaction which we're now seeing. At the same time, the violent solution which is being advocated by the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army, which is really not an army but a lot of different groups that are gradually forming an infrastructure of resistance, this approach is highly dangerous to stability in the region.

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Now--fast-forward Nov 8 2005:

Holbrooke, the architect of the 1995 Bosnian peace deal, who said that independence was the only way forward for Kosovo and its mainly Muslim Albanians.

"I cannot see any final status for Kosovo other than independence," said Holbrooke, who forged the Dayton Peace Accords that ended Bosnia's 1992-95 war.

"But at the same time ... this cannot be achieved without ironclad guarantees for the safety, security, and protection of the rights of the Serbs who live in Kosovo and the protection of their magnificent monuments," he said.


http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/zforum/02/sp_nation_holbrooke091002.htm

[tgambill]

Yes....don't forget that the CIA recruited Milosevic during the late 80's while he was in New York. He was understuding to be a banker. The CIA turned him around to be a politician. He succeeded in becoming a president. Now, I've heard different tales...but, I've heard that the Serbian nationalist got to Milosevic which sounds about right, and turned him around to be a nationalist. Or, he was following orders to respond heavily handed when the Bosnian trouble started. Either way, he screwed up for the Serbian people. However, much of the Serbs attrocities were highly exaggerated and some were entirely fabricated to justify our Illegal entrance into the Balkans. The 8,000 Muslims massacred....exaggerated number, and most of those killed were Jihaders....that had been cutting off heads.....the others from being at the wrong place at the wrong time.... Never any "rape camps"....fabricated. Rapes? Yes, from both sides.

[infidel_pride]

That's funny , getoffmylawn.

[SJackson]

I don't ever recall seeing any info on how Finland handled their Jewish citizens.

Finland refused to cooperate with the Nazis in the persecution of Jews. Desirous of their pseudo allies cooperation in the war against Russia, Finland was never pressed on the issue, so Jews maintained their rights throughout the war. Some fled to Sweden, just in case, however the Jewish population wasn't very large.

[Bringbackthedraft]

The SS contained Swedish volunteers also. There were also reports of a Bengal Unit made up of volunteers from India, and a British unit too. The last Battles, i.e."Berlin and Budapest " were fought to the last man by SS units of Frenchman, Belgians, Danes, Norwegians and Dutch volunteers who joined to fight the Bolsheviks. They were combat arms soldiers, not members of the SD formations that ran the concentration camps. For the most part they were the fire brigades of the German war machine. They were the best equipped, best trained and had the most fighting spirit compared to the rest of the non SS units. We should not judge them solely on the activities of the SD. They were the best fighting units of the European Theater, too bad they were fighting for the wrong cause.