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America ponders cutting Iraq in three
The Sunday Times ^
| October 08, 2006
| Sarah Baxter
Posted on 10/08/2006 9:51:04 AM PDT by US Navy guy
AN independent commission set up by Congress with the approval of President George W Bush may recommend carving up Iraq into three highly autonomous regions, according to well informed sources.
(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq
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In the early 1920's Winston Churchill propsed doing this BUT twin jackasses Great Britain PM Lloyd Goerge and France's Pres Clemecau shot it down and gave us the historical failure of Iraq.
To: US Navy guy
Dumb Question: how's that going to help the situation? Won't the 3 new 'provinces/countries/nations' just keep fighting each other? They hate each other's guts, so what's to prevent them from continuing the war? And the Shit-ites are the ones aligned with Iran and Syria in terrorism, aren't they? Won't they keep attacking the other two?
Okay, so that was more than *one dumb question*...
To: butternut_squash_bisque
The Shiites and sunnis have HATED each other for Mellenia. So NOTHING we can do will change that. Split them up and at least we can get oil from the north (Kirrkuk) which is where the Kurds are.
To: butternut_squash_bisque
Dumb Question: how's that going to help the situation? Won't the 3 new 'provinces/countries/nations' just keep fighting each other? They hate each other's guts, so what's to prevent them from continuing the war? And the Shit-ites are the ones aligned with Iran and Syria in terrorism, aren't they? Won't they keep attacking the other two?
The Kurds don't want all of Iraq. They're like Slovenia. The Shiites may want all of Iraq, but they have to go through Sunni Iraq in the center to get to Kurdistan. Sunni Iraq is too busy trying to prevent the Shiites from overrunning them to fight the Kurds. Bottom line is that once we get a few states running and start doing the kinds of population transfers we did at the end of WWII, things will settle down. Defending borders is easier than doing garrison work. The states of the former Yugoslavia aren't really doing much fighting, are they?
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posted on
10/08/2006 10:15:55 AM PDT
by
Zhang Fei
To: Zhang Fei
They will all want to a share of the oil wealth. That will be the tricky part of making this work.
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posted on
10/08/2006 10:25:24 AM PDT
by
BigBobber
To: butternut_squash_bisque
I have the same concerns.
But .. I look at the Kurds, and they are prosperous and looking toward the future .. I keep wondering if they would be better off if they could have their own "state" within Iraq?
I don't know what the solution is - I wish I did. But .. no matter what we choose - the dems will say it's the wrong choice .. even though the dems were for breaking up Iraq from the beginning.
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posted on
10/08/2006 10:29:08 AM PDT
by
CyberAnt
(Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
To: US Navy guy
My guess is a war or some kind of separations will inevitably have to be fought to separate these three extreme tribal communities.
It is too bad it couldn't have happened when we took out Saddam and the borders drawn then.
I think it is kind of like forcing the Bloods, Cryps, and MS13 to live together in harmony on the same block of land and work out their differences.
It ain't gonna happen.
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posted on
10/08/2006 10:29:10 AM PDT
by
R_Kangel
("Please insert witty tag-line here")
To: US Navy guy
Where was this wisdom BEFORE the invasion?
Slam Dunk, indeed.
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posted on
10/08/2006 10:30:27 AM PDT
by
Wormwood
(Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
To: Wormwood
People(Even the Bush '43 admin) who do not learn from History are doomed to repeat it.
To: CyberAnt
Lets back the Kurds and let the others fight to the death.
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posted on
10/08/2006 10:34:51 AM PDT
by
sgtbono2002
(The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
To: US Navy guy
I recommended splitting Iraq up when before the war started. Still do. We should disposition the oil revenues proportionally between the provinces. Folks that cause trouble don't get any money. If they don't like the arrangement TDB. It might work.
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posted on
10/08/2006 10:37:15 AM PDT
by
Nuc1
(NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
To: US Navy guy
Turkey's going to be hating this.
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posted on
10/08/2006 10:38:42 AM PDT
by
mhx
To: US Navy guy
Here are the key quotes (amid the "spiraling out of control" crap)
His group will not advise partition, but is believed to favour a division of the country that will devolve power and security to the regions, leaving a skeletal national government in Baghdad in charge of foreign affairs, border protection and the distribution of oil revenue.
The Iraqi government will be encouraged to hold a constitutional conference paving the way for greater devolution. Iran and Syria will be urged to back a regional settlement that could be brokered at an international conference.
They are not advising splitting into three different countries, but greater federalization. And it isn't the "Americans" who are going to do it, it will be the Iraqis who choose (or not) to do it through a constitutional convention.
To: Dan Cooper
They are not advising splitting into three different countries, but greater federalization. And it isn't the "Americans" who are going to do it, it will be the Iraqis who choose (or not) to do it through a constitutional convention.Santa Claus. Tooth Fairy. Iraqi Constitutional Republic.
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posted on
10/08/2006 10:40:47 AM PDT
by
Wormwood
(Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
To: Zhang Fei
"Defending borders is easier than doing garrison work."
Good point...
To: Zhang Fei
So now we are back to Sumer in the south, Akkad/Babelonia in the middle and Assyria/Gutium in the North.
What a concept? Abraham would likely have recognized this.
Seems I made this suggestions as the only solution that would work back in 2002, hope they do it
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posted on
10/08/2006 11:00:23 AM PDT
by
munin
(The war on muslim terror=world war 3 time to lets roll)
To: munin
Great, now Biden gets to crow about it was his idea. No doubt he was on one if not all of the Sunday morning shows.
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posted on
10/08/2006 11:01:46 AM PDT
by
DAC22
To: US Navy guy
Well, one Gaius Julius Caesar reported that the Gallia [Gaul] was divided in three parts - forgot which ones, one was Belgica, and there were two others - does not matter. So, learning from history, if Gallia was divided in three parts, then why not Iraq?
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posted on
10/08/2006 11:01:58 AM PDT
by
GSlob
To: US Navy guy
Excellent idea. This way we can concentrate our forces where there's actually a chance of success (i.e. among the civilized and ambitious Kurds) while remaining accessible to neighboring areas should trouble arise. Let the Shiites and Sunnis cut each other's throats to their hearts' content.
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posted on
10/08/2006 11:02:57 AM PDT
by
B-Chan
(Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
To: DAC22
Great, now Biden gets to crow about it was his idea.If this plan will save lives and lead to greater stability, who cares who claims credit.
I'm sick of party politics trumping stacks of innocent corpses.
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posted on
10/08/2006 11:04:01 AM PDT
by
Wormwood
(Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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