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N. Korea: China on alert over a nuclear neighbour(PLA pouring into the border)
Sunday Times ^ | 10/08/06 | Michael Sheridan

Posted on 10/08/2006 8:43:01 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

The Sunday Times October 08, 2006

China on alert over a nuclear neighbour

Michael Sheridan, North Korean/Chinese border

THE North Korean refugee had one request for her captors before the young Chinese soldiers led her back across the steel-girdered bridge on the Yalu River that divides two “socialist allies”.

“She asked for a comb and some water because she said that if she was going to die she could not face going to heaven looking as dirty and dishevelled as this,” recounted a relative of one soldier who was there.

What happened next is testimony to the rising disgust in Chinese military ranks as Beijing posts more troops to the border amid a crisis with North Korea over its regime’s plan to stage a nuclear test.

The soldiers, who later told family members of the incident, marched the woman, who was about 30, to the mid-point of the bridge. North Korean guards were waiting. They signed papers for receipt of the woman, who kept her dignity until that moment. Then, in front of the Chinese troops, one seized her and another speared her hand — the soft part between thumb and forefinger — with the point of a sharpened steel cable, which he twisted into a leash.

“She screamed just like a pig when we kill it at home in the village,” the soldier later told his relative. “Then they dragged her away.”

Such stories are circulating widely among Chinese on the border, where wild rumours of an American attack on nuclear test sites have spread fears of a Chernobyl-type cloud of radiation and sparked indignation at the North Koreans. “I’ve heard it a hundred times over that when we send back a group they stab each one with steel cable, loop it under the collarbone and out again, and yoke them together like animals,” said an army veteran with relatives in service.

As international tensions over North Korea have soared, China has deployed extra combat units of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) to man the border from the Yalu River in the south to the Tumen River near Russia - evidently fearing the risk of chaos and collapse.

The troop trains were rolling even on the Chinese mid-autumn festival on Friday. Civilian traffic on a main line was halted to allow one train to pass, with carriages jammed with glum soldiers in camouflage uniforms and flat cars carrying olive-green military vehicles.

And while a few off-duty men strolled with their sweethearts under the full moon along the banks of the Yalu, others watched from outposts at the silent, darkened shores of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

“All visits by Chinese have recently been stopped,” said a local official. “They gave us no reason for it.”

The bomb test could come as early as today, the eighth anniversary of Kim Jong-il’s ascent to the top of the North Korean Workers’ party and one day before South Korea’s foreign minister, Ban Ki-moon, seeks election as secretary-general of the United Nations.

Last Friday, North Korea’s traditional allies, Russia and China, joined in a UN security council warning that a weapons test - likely to be in a disused mine 6,000ft underground in Shijung district near the Chinese border -would attract “universal condemnation”. It has put the Chinese under maximum pressure to restrain Kim. Japan’s new prime minister, Shinzo Abe, is due in Beijing today to urge on the effort and the leader of South Korea is coming to make the same plea on Monday.

China’s dilemma is that its ruling elites are still bound to those of North Korea by a like-minded political authoritarianism. President Hu Jintao has even praised North Korea for keeping to its Stalinist politics, a view he may be repenting now that Kim has brought China to the brink of a nuclear crisis.

Beijing’s main fear is that if Kim tests a bomb - the CIA believes he has enough plutonium for four; other US experts think more - then Japan will feel it has no choice but to acquire its own atomic arsenal. That would destroy the balance of power in northeast Asia that has kept the peace since the end of the second world war.

China’s secondary fear is that if Kim’s regime collapses, hundreds of thousands of desperate, hungry North Koreans, some armed, will flood across its border to sow unrest and instability.

The Chinese regularly round up small groups of escapees. But uncounted thousands have slipped into the towns and villages inhabited by ethnic Koreans in the border provinces, building gleaming new towers and labouring in fields of fat corn.

China’s prosperity lures the poverty-stricken but has failed to convince North Korea’s leaders to deviate from their course of rigid state control.

“Why are they poor?” asked a local official, who was drinking heavily in a bar at festival time. “Because that gangster Kim Jong-il spends all the money on nuclear weapons!” Several Chinese soldiers have died in clashes with rogue North Korean soldiers who have crossed the border, shot up buildings and, in one case, robbed a bank with their AK-47s.

A PLA platoon leader was killed last year while catching five North Koreans who had attacked a hotel, robbed guests and kidnapped the manager, according to state media. Shots were fired yesterday as five North Korean troops crossed into the southern side of the demilitarised zone that separates the two countries.

The Chinese authorities are also irate over an influx of counterfeit US dollar bills and vast quantities of fake Viagra from North Korea. Some 50,000 Chinese gamblers a year are estimated to cross the other way to squander their money, much of it suspected to be the fruits of official corruption, in a North Korean casino.

The sense that Kim’s regime is losing control lies behind the Chinese military buildup. But some South Korean MPs fear China could grab territory from the north in the event of a collapse.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Makes sense.


And as you said -- Red China and the U.S. are not on the same side.


21 posted on 10/08/2006 9:11:42 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It seems likely that the (Chinese) People's Liberation Army will cross the border. I rather think that Kim Jong Il is too foolish for this game. What a bunch of dead people there will be.

The official estimate of the DPRK population is twenty three million people. The southern Republic of Korea should expect something like two million refugees. The only way to stop them from coming would be machine guns.

Of course if two million North Koreans are welcomed guests then two million is much too small a number.
22 posted on 10/08/2006 9:14:32 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: FReepaholic
It's Monday in NK. No boom yet.

Not that WE know about anyway. I'm sure that as soon as it happens there will be a dozen or more governments around the world that will know about it through various monitering methods, but they might not tell us about it right away.

23 posted on 10/08/2006 9:21:33 AM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: elmer fudd

Governments aside, thousands of university/research seismographs would pick up the compression waves. There are quite distinct.

No secrets here.


24 posted on 10/08/2006 9:32:47 AM PDT by ruiner
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I think the Chinese deal with the United states is essentially complete. Probably just last minute adjustments are left. Chinese guarantees to Japan are probably unsettled. The Japanese Abe government is an indication this is so.

The Russian - Chinese deal appears complete also. The United States government is a bit miffed at being left out of that one. A major Russian - Japanese deal is in the works with negotiation now at the "who gets what and who pays for it?" stage.

The politics of East Asia are most interesting.


25 posted on 10/08/2006 9:38:03 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: kjo

North Korea has been China's pet pit-bull and now the Chinese are discovering that their pet has rabies. North Korea with nuclear weapons presents a problem for China as it does for everyone else. It is interesting that even the Chinese communists are getting disgusted with the inhumanity of the North Korean regime.


26 posted on 10/08/2006 9:39:47 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Iris7
Re #25

Everybody gets a piece except S. Korea, whose brilliant superman called Roh Moo-hyun still hallucinates that he got everything in control.

27 posted on 10/08/2006 9:42:49 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I look at Kim the same as I do Clinton...anything to stay in the news, anything to be in the spot light.


28 posted on 10/08/2006 9:44:30 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: FReepaholic

Perhaps the test was yesterday. More of a phhttt than a boom. Nobody wants to go down in that mineshaft, but the chief engineer automatically gets the short straw.


29 posted on 10/08/2006 9:46:42 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: struwwelpeter

It's not china's to take. Do you imagine the South Koreans want the chicoms sitting on top of them?


30 posted on 10/08/2006 9:55:31 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
"interesting that even the Chinese communists are getting disgusted with the inhumanity of the North Korean regime."

The inhumanity of the chicoms is of the same stuff as the norks.

31 posted on 10/08/2006 9:57:04 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This should be 'interesting'....


32 posted on 10/08/2006 10:02:17 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: BenLurkin
The article is a little confusing. I think all it is saying is that the CHinese are cultivating a disrespect for NK among their troops in anticipation of annexing parts of of NK after Kim leaves power.

If the Chinese have thought this through, they won't do it. There is no way the ROK's are going to stand for a Chinese invasion, let alone an annexation of North Korea. Koreans are nationalistic and xenophobic to a fault. If China moves in, I would expect the ROK's to coordinate a move north with their North Korean counterparts. China would replace Japan as a hate figure in Korean eyes. And both Japan and the US would stand to win major brownie points with South Korea by supporting - with men and equipment - a South Korean push north. At long last, the South Koreans will finally figure out who their friends really are. I can't really see how a Chinese push south is feasible.

At the same time, it's also unnecessary. China provides the majority of North Korea's food and fuel for free. If China turned off the spigot, it could both shut down North Korea's nuclear program and turf out Kim Jong Il (via a generals' revolt).

A Chinese invasion is unlikely to succeed and is likely to be unnecessary to get regime change. I think we have to face the facts - what China is doing here is mounting a misleading propaganda effort to convince the West that Kim Jong Il isn't really China's handpuppet despite significant evidence that China owns Kim. I think China believes that the chances of a nuclear northeast Asia are remote even if North Korea tests a nuke. I think they're right. My feeling is that Uncle Sam will successfully restrain its allies from adopting nukes, on pain of excommunication from existing mutual defense pacts. Bottom line - China can't lose.

Note that the stuff about Chinese fears of fallout is a bunch of hyped-up BS. Chernobyl led to 47 immediate deaths and 4,000 delayed cancer deaths. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the two Japanese cities nuked in 1945, today have triple and double the populations they had before the bombing.
33 posted on 10/08/2006 10:04:27 AM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: ruiner
Nuclear devices of quite low power can be made. An high explosive deep ground burst in hard rock that would appear very much like a fractional kiloton nuclear device is not even very expensive if one has an appropriate unused deep rock mine shaft. I suspect that two or three thousand tons of conventional modern mining explosives costing a few million dollars would be hard to distinguish from a Hiroshima type bomb when fired 6,000 feet down if the charge were well tamped and constrained by a concrete filled access tunnel.

Kim Jong Il might enjoy such a jest. He could even release a video covering the building of such a device (for "peaceful mining purposes", naturally) and then set off his nuke instead.
34 posted on 10/08/2006 10:06:34 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
There won't be any "test". This is just the same old scam run by China and NK to tweak the West. And now Iran and probably Russia are clued in as well.
Kim plays the loose cannon with nukes; China is the only country can can have any effective influence, and America must beg them to "rein in" the nutjob in Pyongyang (meanwhile the Chicoms are lasering American satellites are running massive hacker attacks).
As usual the dust-up diverts attention from the Iranian nuke situation as sanctions seem to be a bit more likely. Another favor delivered to China's new best friend, Iran.
Keep in mind that China is THE "root proliferator" of nuclear technology through NK, Pakistan, Libya, Iraq, and now Iran.
It's all part of China's clandestine war against the US.
This is not going to change and Kim is not going away. He is too valuable to the Chinese.
35 posted on 10/08/2006 10:20:32 AM PDT by motorola7
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To: Zhang Fei

Interesting. Certainly the NPRK is an important part of Beijing's Japan strategy. On the other hand a Japan able and willing to fight a nuclear war is not.

A nice little North Korean "provocation" could be a convincing casus bellum. Perhaps a fabricated "Archduke Ferdinand" incident?


36 posted on 10/08/2006 10:23:39 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

NK's current situation seems, to this poster, very similar to the situation faced by the hostage-takers in Iran, on the day President Ronald Reagan walked up to that podium.

Except this time it's not the American president whose presense itself in office, changes the course of history.

It is Abe, who is shaking Asia today.

China analysis concludes we Americans are China's eventual enemy. This is the same sort of simplistic analysis which led to the book several years ago called "The Coming War with Japan".

In that book - the role of a rising China, was completely ignored, as the authors concluded America would inevitably fight another war with Japan.

Chinese analysis of America as its biggest threat - is falling into the same trap, in reverse.

Japan could go nuclear in a matter of weeks. Big time. Not just a couple large heavy, primative bombs - Japan could become one of the most significant nuclear powers on earth, almost immediately. They've got all the parts. Knowhow. Technology. Electronics. Launch capability. And fuel.

Literally, all that's lacking is the "go" order.

Abe is the sort of leader, who would give that order, if pressed.

China has been so busy preparing for America as the threat - they took their eyes off Japan - the country which conquered China in the last war. A war during which China, and America incidentally fought on the same side.

Japan, could become the 800 pound gorilla in the room with China. Dwarfing its neighbors, and standing toe to toe with China - presenting a far closer, and far more immovable threat than America, with our whining Democrat opposition.

Japan could present a far tougher opponent to China, than even we could.

China's leaders and people are just now realizing how serious that possibility has just become. Almost overnight.

Ronald Reagan was just inaugurated.

In Tokyo.


37 posted on 10/08/2006 10:24:37 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Executive Order wishlist item #1: NO GAYS IN GOVERNMENT)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Indeed.

Mr. Roh is either very stupid or has a hidden agenda. It is wisest to assume that Mr. Roh simply cannot be as stupid as he seems. The same can be said of the "Glorious Leader" and "Lodestar of the 21st Century", Mr. Kim.

Josef Stalin was really so much better at this sort of thing than than is this modern lot. "History repeats itself as farce".
38 posted on 10/08/2006 10:41:05 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Iris7

I'd be willing to bet there are subtle difference between seismic profiles of underground nuclear blasts (even small ones) and underground high explosives detonations of similar yield.

Anyone know for sure?


39 posted on 10/08/2006 10:43:22 AM PDT by ruiner
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To: ruiner

There is considerable difference, even when the nuclear device is set off in a oversized cavity to promote "decoupling".


40 posted on 10/08/2006 10:48:01 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Dancing through life like a street mime with tourettes syndrome.)
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