France: Schoolgirl Stoned In Playground For Not Observing Ramadan

Western Resistance ^ | 10/08/2006

[Republicain]

With a hat-tip to reader Peter C, a truly horrific sign of the times comes from Lyon in the south of France, where a schoolgirl was stoned by Muslim students on Wednesday (October 4), for not following Ramadan. France-Echos reports on the incident, which is described in today's edition of Le Progres a paper serving the Lyon, Villeurbanne and Caluire-et-Cuire region.

This is a translation of the France-Echos report:

A schoolgirl was stoned on Wednesday in playground

For non-observance of Ramadan

According to information given by Michèle Vianès, from the Regards de Femmes organization:

The information that I gave Thursday from our cafe Regards de Femmes is in Le Progres today.

A schoolgirl of Jean Mermoz college in Lyon's eighth arrondissement (postal district) was pelted with stones on Wednesday morning in the playground because she ate a snack. The argument that the incident stemmed from the non-observance of Ramadan is confirmed by the Lyon prosecutor's office, based on initial results from its investigation.

Azzedine Gaci, president of the CRCM (Regional Council for the Muslim Religion) , states that "if the facts are proven, they are unacceptable". He deplores the ignorance of the pupils, who should be taught the Koran at school, and who are unaware that "women who are not feeling well" * are exempted from observing Ramadan.

Without other commentaries for today, I will keep you updated

Michèle Vianès

The front cover of Le Progres (here, in pdf, but not yet on its online site) states:

Ramadan fast: A college girl attacked

The attack happened in a recreation moment in the playground of Jean-Mermoz (Lyon 8th). Pupils of the third grade threw stones at an adolescent. The principal of the college said it was a simple incident, not premeditated. But for its side, the Prosecutor's Office of Lyon confirmed in the first stages of an inquiry that this this act could have been linked to the victim not observing the ramadan fast. The incident has provoked strong emotion in the education community.

The story continues on page 7 of the printed edition, which I do not have access to at present. Hopefully on Monday, today's edition will be online and I will update this story.

* Means literally "indisposed", or "out of sorts", and probably is a euphemism for her "time of the month".

[highlander_UW]

The principal of the college said it was a simple incident, not premeditated.

Time to fire and deport the principal of the college if he's minimizing the incident.

[George W. Bush]

Food deprivation is a useful tool for cults.

It's one of the most obvious marks of a cult. Measures like this are especially useful to maintain loyalty among adult and elderly members who, when the fraud is exposed, are psychologically compelled to turn more fundamentalist in response, thereby influencing the young. Otherwise, they would be forced to recognize that they and their forbears were deprived for nonsense, in this case, the ravings of a pedophile ignoramous who exploited the superstitions of an uneducated group of warlike nomads. So Ramadan is best seen as an integral part of a self-perpetuating, self-victimizing psychology.

[syriacus]

Ramadan is best seen as an integral part of a self-perpetuating, self-victimizing psychology.

Can't disagree with you on this.

[George W. Bush]

In their little head full of shit, that means that if you look arabic, you are necessarily muslim and if you are muslim, you must necessarily fasten during Ramadan month.

Love your reports and commentary. But you might consider "little heads full of merde" as we do have some younger Christian readers here. But I am by no means scolding you as your posts are so charming.

-Thousands of arabics are christians, in Lebanon and Palestine for instance. Will they be obliged to fasten to be safe ? In France ? In 2006 ?

Your mention of Arab Christians is most interesting. Here in America, most people don't seem to know that we have, by Census Report, about 6 million Muslims. But only about 1.2-1.5 million are Arab. The rest of the American Arab community is non-religious or Christian.

I wonder sometimes how many of Europe's and France's Arab population is Christian or at least non-Muslim. Also, I think that Turkish Muslims can be assimilated if Europe works at it. You just have to be as firm as the Turkish military is about protecting the secular Turkish state, not a problem really for the secular states of Europe.

[syriacus]

It would serve as a way for the terrorists to sort the faithful from the kufir.

My gosh, yes!!

[Eva]

I think that we need to get the news off Foley and let people know what to expect if the Democrats have their way in November, because the Democrats want to handle the Islamists the same way that Europe does, as a civil matter.

[Republicain]

Yes, I agree with you. "Little heads full of merde" would have been far more polite. Sorry if I have shocked some younger readers, christian or not.

I wonder sometimes how many of Europe's and France's Arab population is Christian or at least non-Muslim.

Due to the french colonial history, most of the muslims in France are arabic and from the Maghreb (litteraly "The West" in arabic) : Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. A few are from Lebanon and other middle-east countries. The non-arabic come mainly from Black Africa and Turkey.

It's difficult to say how many muslims are in France because there are no official statistics about race, origins or religion in France. The law strictly forbid to ask these questions to french citizens (and foreigners). The muslim population in France is estimated between 5 or 6 million (about 10% of the french population). And, due to the same law, it's almost impossible to know how many arabics are christians or non-muslims.

A recent poll shows that more than 80% of the muslims in France fast during the Ramadan. But the day to day practice is less important.

[Victoria Delsoul]

We may really have to re-evaluate what a 'moderate' Muslim is.

I've already had, and I've come to the conclusion that a moderate Muslim is an oxymoron.

[George W. Bush]

Wow. Strange that such a centralized bureaucratic government would choose to function without such basic demographic information! I would never have guessed that. I suppose the government has ways to estimate pretty accurately though.

While we in America tend to celebrate how well we have integrated immigrants from Muslim countries, the unspoken truth is that it's a snap to integrate Christians from Muslim countries in the West. So if most of our immigrants from Muslim countries are Christian and most of Europe's are Muslim, of course we're going to look good by comparison. So we shouldn't be patting ourselves on the back quite so much. Furthermore, of the Muslims we do have, many of them are 'bad Muslims' who aren't very observant. Heretics or backsliders would be how devout Muslims would describe them.

Thanks for the exchange. Your posts, like MadIvan's and JohnHuang's, make FR a more rounded place.

[Eva]

Please help me keep this article bumped. The total lack of coverage in the MSM is significant.

[El Gato]

Come to think of it, our public school only served fish on Fridays

Mine as well.. and we had a Catholic school diagonally across the street. Funny, the Catholic School is still there, while my elementary school, part of which had been my father's high school, is now a semiprivate recreation center, and the newer part (which was the lower elementary building) is a day care center.

However, you could bring your lunch and eat meat if you wished, and no one would stone you.

Fish, usually sticks, is OK for everyone, and serving it on Friday, rather than some other day, was being sensitive to a substantial minority within the student body, without at the same time causing anyone else any harm or offending their religious sensibilities.

[caseinpoint]

I see your point. Yet there are some groups that never assimilate. I am thinking right now of the Amish. They hold to certain standards and mores and do not assimilate but the difference is that they only ask for and willingly extend tolerance while it seems Muslims demand you not only accommodate their lifestyle choices but agree to live by it yourself. One group is welcome. The other is feared and/or despised.

[HitmanLV]

Increasingly I think a moderate Muslims is just one that isn't as kooky as the more extreme blend, but fairly kooky by our standards nonetheless.

[Rutabega]

Gotcha! I was actually in the middle of kid stuff with my two, two friends and a friend's kid, and wasn't thinking quite straight! I agree, they're nuts! :)

[Lurker]

For later.

L

[Lurker]

Not alone, not by a long shot.

L

[Victoria Delsoul]

So you got Kooky and Kooky+.

[HitmanLV]

Sounds about right! ;-)

[Victoria Delsoul]

LOL.