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Ban à l'Ecosse will leave French smokers fuming 'in the toilets'
Scotland on Sunday ^ | October 8, 2006 | ELAINE SCIOLINO

Posted on 10/08/2006 12:13:03 AM PDT by MadIvan

THERE is something about smoking that is very French. Jean-Paul Sartre enjoyed a cigarette, so did Colette, Bardot, Camus and Coco Chanel.

But as in other European countries, smoking in public is becoming taboo - much to the annoyance of many who are used to lighting up pretty much anywhere, even in the revered corridors of power.

Last week, after a five-month government inquiry, a parliamentary committee approved a proposal to ban smoking in public areas.

Under the measure, cafés, hotels, restaurants, discos and casinos could designate spaces for smoking only if they could be "hermetically sealed areas, furnished with air-extraction systems and subject to extremely rigorous health norms".

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said he would decide quickly how to proceed on the matter. "The French people would not understand if we do not make a decision" in the face of the research, he told members of parliament last week.

But not everyone agrees. To diehard smokers and many tobacconists and bar and restaurant owners, the campaign reflects the loss of a core French value - the rights of the individual.

"I see this as a personal attack," said André Santini, a centre-right member of parliament from a Paris suburb and compulsive cigar smoker, who posed for photographers last week in the tobacco kiosk in the National Assembly building. "What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They tell you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."

At the end of the year, the kiosk will no longer sell cigarettes, cigars and cigarillos, only sweets and newspapers. Just as bad, he said, smoking will eventually be banned in the high-ceilinged corridors of the National Assembly itself.

"I'll end my life where I started it — in the men's room," said Jean-Pierre Balligand, of the opposition Socialist Party. "I started smoking like every other schoolboy, in the toilets of my junior high school. And that's where I'll end up, in the toilets of the National Assembly, while the school principal, Mr Debré, screams at us for smoking."

The "school principal" is Jean-Louis Debré, the president of the National Assembly, who ordered the ban on the sale of tobacco products inside parliament to "set the example".

France's history with tobacco goes back more than four centuries. Nicotine is named after Jean Nicot, a 16th-century ambassador to Portugal who took tobacco leaves imported from America to Catherine de Medici as a cure for her migraines.

But France was also at the forefront in the anti-smoking movement in Europe, passing what was then the toughest legislation on the Continent, in 1991. Smoking was banned in most public places, including restaurants, except in designated areas. Tobacco products were required to carry health warnings. Cigarette advertising was banned in 1993. But there were loopholes and application of the law has been uneven. The new measure is even stronger by making it difficult - and expensive - to create separate smoking areas.

President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packets a day, declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003, and imposed steep tax increases on cigarettes. Today, nearly 80% of the French support the idea of a smoking ban in public places.

Still, about 12 million of the French - about 20% of the population - are smokers, according to official government figures, and more than 70,000 people die in France every year from smoking-related illnesses and secondhand smoke.

Smoking remains particularly prevalent and acceptable among young people. Public high schools routinely allow students to smoke during breaks.

Maison Prunier, the landmark Art Deco oyster-and-caviar brasserie in Paris, still sells high-end, after-meal cigars to its clientele.

But even its managers believe that a ban might not be a bad thing. "We serve gourmet meals, so it's unfortunate that cigars are smoked here," said Benoít Rade, one of Prunier's maîtres d'hôtel. "Smoke is a problem for most of our employees, some clients, too."

La Coupole, the vast, classic Paris brasserie whose trademark once was a haze of smoke, imposed a near-total smoking ban on its own initiative last July in anticipation of a government decree.

Many French businessmen predict serious disruption of their businesses and a decline in profits. They certainly would demand compensation.

"There is going to be considerable damage," said François Attrazic, the leader of the leading restaurant and hotel owners' union and a restaurant owner (and occasional smoker). "We haven't assessed how much it will be because it's complicated, but we are hearing things from the countries that have bans, and what it shows is a drop of 25% to 30% in sales in some establishments."

The issue was so divisive that de Villepin postponed a decision last spring, asking his health minister, Xavier Bertrand, to carry out a "deep evaluation of the different solutions". Bertrand, who has long advocated a measure to protect people from secondhand smoke in public, said last week: "My conviction is that it's necessary to ban tobacco in public places as soon as possible."

Once de Villepin announces his decision, it is expected to be issued as a sort of government-ordered amendment to the existing law. That will prevent the parliament or a lobbying group from trying to block the ban, which would go into effect before next September.

Some anti-smoking politicians want to take their campaign further. Charles-Amédée de Courson, a centre-right member, last year introduced a proposal in the National Assembly to ban the sale of chocolate cigars, arguing that young people who had consumed them were twice as likely to smoke.

Yves Contassot, a deputy mayor of Paris, meanwhile, recently floated a proposal to start fining smokers who threw their butts on the street.

STUBBING OUT ACROSS EUROPE

ANTI-SMOKING policies have been sweeping Europe since 2003.

France began the European trend by raising the price of cigarettes by 20% in October 2003.

In Spain, a law banning smoking in offices, shops, schools, hospitals, cultural centres and on public transport was introduced in January this year.

Italy imposed a ban on smoking in all enclosed public places, including bars and restaurants, in January last year to a flurry of complaints that cigarettes and smoking are an integral part of Italian bar and cafe culture.

The Netherlands also prohibited cigarettes from many public places including railway stations, trains, toilets and offices. In Norway, a national ban is also imposed on smoking in restaurants, bars and cafes.

The union of Montenegro and Serbia has one of the highest rates of smoking in Europe, with 40% of the population lighting up regularly. In August 2004, the Montenegrin part of the union introduced a ban on smoking in public places. Discussions are currently under way for a similar ban to be imposed in Kosovo.

Ireland imposed tough anti-smoking legislation in early 2004, banning smoking in pubs, restaurants and other enclosed workplaces.

Scotland followed suit in March this year. Wales has indicated it will consider the ban if the law is passed in England next year.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ban; france; funkandwagnalls; hermeticallysealed; smoking
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Presumably the French government heard that this was a barrier to them becoming a perfect left wing utopia.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 10/08/2006 12:13:05 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: SheLion; odds; DCPatriot; Texican; Watery Tart; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/08/2006 12:13:31 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

I thought it was kind of amusing when I went to a Cigarette manufacturer, delivering a truck load of tobacco leaf in great big barrels... they too, forbid smoking, and on the door to the toilet: "No Smoking In Restrooms"


3 posted on 10/08/2006 12:16:07 AM PDT by 1-Eagle (There is no such thing as an accurate poll. There are no penalties for inaccutate polls. Forget them)
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To: MadIvan
"I'll end my life where I started it — in the men's room," said Jean-Pierre Balligand...

This is NOT what I would want as my epitaph.

4 posted on 10/08/2006 12:19:19 AM PDT by TimSkalaBim (In Hoc Signo Vinces)
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To: MadIvan

So why don't they just make it an illegal substance and be done with it. This death by a thousand cuts while taxing the poor smokers to death is vile.


5 posted on 10/08/2006 12:23:05 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: MadIvan
But nothing about banning the sale of tobacco - just more restrictions on the use of tobacco. So as long as the tax revenues keep pouring in, this will continue.

The article also mentions 70,000 deaths per year from smoking. As far as the mortality statistics, I look forward to seeing one of these articles identify the most acceptable way for people to die.

6 posted on 10/08/2006 12:27:00 AM PDT by Bernard (Democrats are willing to defend terrorists' rights over your dead body.)
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To: MadIvan

Hard times will come again, as they always do. And when they do, people will seek the solace of tobacco.

Me, I'm doing what the wealthy did with their booze before prohibition. I'm stockpiling ahead of the ban. You should too.


7 posted on 10/08/2006 1:28:52 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Bush Assassination Flick. Save your liberal friends a few bucks: the black guy in the tux dunnit.)
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I'm doing what the wealthy did with their booze before prohibition. I'm stockpiling ahead of the ban. You should too

Done. :-)
8 posted on 10/08/2006 1:46:14 AM PDT by cgbg (One sniff of Colin Powell's scent and Fitz's investigation was over.)
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To: MadIvan; Just another Joe; Madame Dufarge; Cantiloper; metesky; Judith Anne; lockjaw02; Mears; ...
Presumably the French government heard that this was a barrier to them becoming a perfect left wing utopia.

Jay Leno had a blurp on about this the other night.  He said he hoped this smoking ban didn't make the French mean and nasty!  LOL

9 posted on 10/08/2006 3:33:40 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: dighton; Senator Bedfellow; MadIvan

"Fuming in Toilets" alert.

Not quite NY Post standards, but a cute bilingual pun nonetheless.

(Bablefish: "smoke" = fumée.)


10 posted on 10/08/2006 3:38:12 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: MadIvan
THERE is something about smoking that is very French. Jean-Paul Sartre enjoyed a cigarette, so did Colette, Bardot, Camus and Coco Chanel.

I love it!!!!!!

11 posted on 10/08/2006 4:54:22 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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You have to admit that the strongest argument against smoking, aside from any risk of cancer, is its association with left wing ne'er do wells like Sartre.

Regards, Ivan

12 posted on 10/08/2006 4:56:55 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: SheLion

"What disturbs me is the ayatollahs you meet everywhere. They tell you how you have to make love, how you have to eat."

Yup. I can't stand 'em either.

"President Jacques Chirac, who at one time smoked up to three packets a day, declared a "war on tobacco" in 2003, and imposed steep tax increases on cigarettes."

I wonder if chirac and bloomberg were siamese twins joined at the a$$?


13 posted on 10/08/2006 6:30:08 AM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: MadIvan

But Ivan, French intellectuals don't smoke fine Kentucky burley, they smoke nasty Gauloises that smell like dirty feet.


14 posted on 10/08/2006 7:28:01 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Bush Assassination Flick. Save your liberal friends a few bucks: the black guy in the tux dunnit.)
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To: MadIvan

Why can't our US journalists come up with headlines like that?


15 posted on 10/08/2006 7:58:10 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
A fresh Gauloises Blonde is superior to any American-branded cigarette. Funny that we can grow tobacco in Virginia, ship it to France where it is made into a cigarette, have France ship it back to us, and it tastes/smokes better than what we produce here.
16 posted on 10/08/2006 8:03:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

It's a touch of Latakia which makes Gauloises smell like DeGaulle's sweatsocks.

English Ovals for me when I'm feeling flush and expansive.


17 posted on 10/08/2006 8:11:32 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Bush Assassination Flick. Save your liberal friends a few bucks: the black guy in the tux dunnit.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

I prefer Dunhill Internationals (the red pack), but it's getting tougher and tougher to find them fresh.


18 posted on 10/08/2006 8:17:21 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I have a Premier rolling machine. With a little experimentation and patience you can make reasonably close duplicates of the "topshelf" smokes. On your first try you can make cigarettes which are far superior to the mass market brands.


19 posted on 10/08/2006 8:23:23 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Bush Assassination Flick. Save your liberal friends a few bucks: the black guy in the tux dunnit.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

I've always wanted a rolling machine, and always enjoyed bumming smokes from a neighbor that did. I simply don't smoke often enough to make it economically feasible. How long does a pouch of tobacco stay fresh?


20 posted on 10/08/2006 8:28:47 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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