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Students suspended for bringing in toy guns
townline.com (MA) ^ | October 5, 2006 | Cheryl Lecesse

Posted on 10/05/2006 8:39:27 PM PDT by Pharmboy

Three eighth-graders were given three days of in-school suspension starting last Friday after they brought toy weapons to school in order to participate in a class project on the Revolutionary War era.

But one parent feels this punishment is too strict in the context of the incident.

Page 19 of the Parents Handbook states, "Knives or other sharp objects, hand guns, toy guns, weapon replicas, slingshots, matches, fireworks, or any other explosive materials are forbidden at school, or at any school sponsored activity or trip."

"It doesn't say anything about intention and context," said Elena Driscoll, the parent of one of the students who received in-school suspension, about the handbook entry.

According to the handbook, the object in question will be taken away, and students in violation will be suspended for a minimum of three days. Both parents and the police are notified of the incident, and parents will be required to meet with the principal prior to the student returning to school.

Driscoll said she and her child knew about this handbook rule prior to the incident.

"Bringing weapons to school is against school rules," said Superintendent Mickey Brandmeyer. "Unfortunately the students and the parents knew the school rule and chose to bring a weapon to school anyways."

Driscoll said her son's class was asked to bring in Revolutionary War era props to class. Her son brought in a toy rifle, while another student brought in a carved wooden toy gun.

"Since the teacher asked for props the kids thought these replicas were excluded from that," said Driscoll.

Driscoll said the teacher did apologize for the end result. The instructions did not remind students not to bring in prohibited objects.

"We will review the rule with the faculty," said Brandmeyer, and the administration will ask teachers to remind students that they should not bring weapons to school.

In a letter sent home to all eighth-grade parents this week, Principal Sharon Hobbs explains the incident, the actions taken by the school and the reasons behind them.

"This event provided a dilemma for me as the principal and for students, parents, and teachers," Hobbs writes. "While the intent of bringing in the toy guns was not to threaten or hurt anyone, the handbook expectations and consequences are explicit. With our signatures, students, their parents, the teachers and I, have accepted these expectations and consequences."

"Our goal was to keep the kids in school so their learning would be the least disruptive," said Hobbs in a phone interview. "We decided that because the intent was not to be threatening or harmful that we wanted to continue their learning as undisrupted as possible."

Although students who receive in-school suspension cannot participate in class - they spend the school day in a conference room outside the principal's office - teachers are asked to drop off their work at the office. In addition, students are allowed to make up any tests or quizzes they miss during that period.

Driscoll said in years past students have had other topics of study related to battle, during which they were allowed to make weapons. She questioned why the rule was being enforced now when it had not been enforced before.

Brandmeyer said this is the first time he has had to deal with a weapon being brought into school.

"I've had a couple of requests over the years to have weapons in school," he said, including from the Lincoln Minute Men, who wanted to bring in their muskets for a demonstration.

Brandmeyer said he told them it was not appropriate.

The handbook is reviewed annually, and Hobbs said she plans to review the handbook with Student Council and teachers.

The parents of the three students each reacted differently, Brandmeyer said. One looked at the punishment as a learning experience; another was disappointed but glad the child would still be in school.

Driscoll, however, said there are a number of students and parents who are upset about this incident, and some eighth-graders have been circulating a petition.

"I think that shows the fact that nobody felt that they were threatened," she said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: banglist; craziness; guns; revwar; subzerotolerance; toys; zerotolerance
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To: elkfersupper
Everyone in my family was taught to never surrender their tools or their weapons. There were drills.

The harassment on personal liberties is much more prevalent over here in the people's democratic republic of Maryland.
41 posted on 10/05/2006 9:28:05 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: nralife

My son has been told by his classmates that they have their guns out in the trunks of their cars. Do I believe it? Around here, probably, yeah.


42 posted on 10/05/2006 9:30:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kinoxi
That world sounds great. I just don't see it here and now.

If it sounds like a good idea, all you have to do is reclaim it.

43 posted on 10/05/2006 9:31:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
all you have to do is reclaim it.

Just a wee skirmish and all those dastardly union folk will be running for the hills I do declare...
I have my doubts.
:)
44 posted on 10/05/2006 9:36:27 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: ThomasThomas
So how dose a "in-school suspension" work. You go to school and skip class?

Makes sense only to a liberal.

45 posted on 10/05/2006 9:43:54 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: kinoxi
I feel sorry for you.

We played cops and robbers with cap guns during recess.

46 posted on 10/05/2006 9:46:03 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Frank_2001
Oy vay

Huh? Is that ebonics?

47 posted on 10/05/2006 9:48:12 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Cobra64
I feel sorry for you.

Not sure why, but OK.
48 posted on 10/05/2006 9:49:06 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: kinoxi
"Not so bad. Don't bring things that are meant to look like guns to school anymore. I received more punishment for far less in my days."

They were doing a Revolutionary War project and were told to bring in props. So what other "war props" should they have brought in that would have been ok? Knives? Canon? Bayonettes? Gun powder? Axe? When you're working on a war project that requires props, you're kinda stuck between a rock and hard place if they won't allow toy weapons. It's like working on a bird project and telling the kids that feathers and beaks are not allowed. The world has truly gone insane.

49 posted on 10/05/2006 9:50:59 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Pharmboy
Uhhh...have we gone too far yet??

Well, it's not we but them.

My kid is out of public school prison and
enjoys the freedom of home schooling.

Student Suspended for Gun Gesture

Snip:
A Gwinnett County 10-year-old was suspended from school for reportedly using his thumb and forefinger as a pretend gun. The school said Jonathan Motes violated its zero-tolerance weapons policy.

50 posted on 10/05/2006 9:51:53 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker
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To: kinoxi

Ironic that the kids were stuting the American Revolution and you're afraid of a toy gun. Don't go outside when the sun is shining. Your shadow will stalk you.


51 posted on 10/05/2006 9:52:15 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: TheCrusader
They were doing a Revolutionary War project and were told to bring in props. So what other "war props" should they have brought in

I don't think the students were told to bring fake guns to school, call it a hunch...
52 posted on 10/05/2006 9:53:20 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: Cobra64
you're afraid of a toy gun.
53 posted on 10/05/2006 9:54:43 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: Frank_2001
It's in the back of their little pea brains, that if we hadn't revolted, today we'd be gun-free, socialist soccer-playing dhimmis, with a National Health Service;)

We have quite a few here that are afraid of (toy guns are scary) their shadows. It's pathetic.

54 posted on 10/05/2006 9:54:53 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: kinoxi
Just a wee skirmish and all those dastardly union folk will be running for the hills I do declare... I have my doubts. :)

If you don't try, you won't know now will you?

55 posted on 10/05/2006 9:55:10 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Quite right.


56 posted on 10/05/2006 9:55:43 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: Pharmboy
If kept on site, the toy guns would have to be locked up in a secure cabinet!

This teacher should have told administration and cleared it beforehand...common sense should prevail.

Locking up toy guns is common sense. I think the school should lock up baseball bats, pencils, pointers, chairs, and cordon off the water fountain so kids don't drown.

57 posted on 10/05/2006 9:58:27 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: kinoxi
Quite right.

Best wishes to you and your family.

Keep 'em safe. Mine are raised.

58 posted on 10/05/2006 9:59:19 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Pharmboy
Uhhh...have we gone too far yet?? /sarcasm

What about the mayor of Franklin, TN who has ordered that the participants in the upcoming re-enactment of the civil war Battle of Franklin aren't going to be allowed to carry rifles!

"The ceremony would also be without antique rifles because of concerns expressed by Police Chief Jackie Moore regarding safety."

59 posted on 10/05/2006 10:03:40 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: kinoxi; Pharmboy
do you approve of students bringing fake knives into class to stab each other with?

Ahh. Those evil knives that just jump out and kill people. As a teenager, back in the late 1950s, when I flew from NY to CO on hunting trips, I wore a hunting knife aboard commercial aircraft. When we went to the range, we always carried pistols or revolvers and would stop at a diner for breakfast and ate with the cops. To this day, I don't know of anyone who has been stabbed or shot. I do know of three people who have been killed by cars.

Do you work for the TSA?

60 posted on 10/05/2006 10:10:42 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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