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Students suspended for bringing in toy guns
townline.com (MA) ^ | October 5, 2006 | Cheryl Lecesse

Posted on 10/05/2006 8:39:27 PM PDT by Pharmboy

Three eighth-graders were given three days of in-school suspension starting last Friday after they brought toy weapons to school in order to participate in a class project on the Revolutionary War era.

But one parent feels this punishment is too strict in the context of the incident.

Page 19 of the Parents Handbook states, "Knives or other sharp objects, hand guns, toy guns, weapon replicas, slingshots, matches, fireworks, or any other explosive materials are forbidden at school, or at any school sponsored activity or trip."

"It doesn't say anything about intention and context," said Elena Driscoll, the parent of one of the students who received in-school suspension, about the handbook entry.

According to the handbook, the object in question will be taken away, and students in violation will be suspended for a minimum of three days. Both parents and the police are notified of the incident, and parents will be required to meet with the principal prior to the student returning to school.

Driscoll said she and her child knew about this handbook rule prior to the incident.

"Bringing weapons to school is against school rules," said Superintendent Mickey Brandmeyer. "Unfortunately the students and the parents knew the school rule and chose to bring a weapon to school anyways."

Driscoll said her son's class was asked to bring in Revolutionary War era props to class. Her son brought in a toy rifle, while another student brought in a carved wooden toy gun.

"Since the teacher asked for props the kids thought these replicas were excluded from that," said Driscoll.

Driscoll said the teacher did apologize for the end result. The instructions did not remind students not to bring in prohibited objects.

"We will review the rule with the faculty," said Brandmeyer, and the administration will ask teachers to remind students that they should not bring weapons to school.

In a letter sent home to all eighth-grade parents this week, Principal Sharon Hobbs explains the incident, the actions taken by the school and the reasons behind them.

"This event provided a dilemma for me as the principal and for students, parents, and teachers," Hobbs writes. "While the intent of bringing in the toy guns was not to threaten or hurt anyone, the handbook expectations and consequences are explicit. With our signatures, students, their parents, the teachers and I, have accepted these expectations and consequences."

"Our goal was to keep the kids in school so their learning would be the least disruptive," said Hobbs in a phone interview. "We decided that because the intent was not to be threatening or harmful that we wanted to continue their learning as undisrupted as possible."

Although students who receive in-school suspension cannot participate in class - they spend the school day in a conference room outside the principal's office - teachers are asked to drop off their work at the office. In addition, students are allowed to make up any tests or quizzes they miss during that period.

Driscoll said in years past students have had other topics of study related to battle, during which they were allowed to make weapons. She questioned why the rule was being enforced now when it had not been enforced before.

Brandmeyer said this is the first time he has had to deal with a weapon being brought into school.

"I've had a couple of requests over the years to have weapons in school," he said, including from the Lincoln Minute Men, who wanted to bring in their muskets for a demonstration.

Brandmeyer said he told them it was not appropriate.

The handbook is reviewed annually, and Hobbs said she plans to review the handbook with Student Council and teachers.

The parents of the three students each reacted differently, Brandmeyer said. One looked at the punishment as a learning experience; another was disappointed but glad the child would still be in school.

Driscoll, however, said there are a number of students and parents who are upset about this incident, and some eighth-graders have been circulating a petition.

"I think that shows the fact that nobody felt that they were threatened," she said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: banglist; craziness; guns; revwar; subzerotolerance; toys; zerotolerance
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Uhhh...have we gone too far yet?? /sarcasm
1 posted on 10/05/2006 8:39:28 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

Suspend the teacher.


2 posted on 10/05/2006 8:41:51 PM PDT by misterrob (Bill Clinton, The Wizard of "Is")
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To: Pharmboy
Three eighth-graders were given three days of in-school suspension

Not so bad. Don't bring things that are meant to look like guns to school anymore. I received more punishment for far less in my days.
3 posted on 10/05/2006 8:43:31 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: Pharmboy

So how dose a "in-school suspension" work. You go to school and skip class?


4 posted on 10/05/2006 8:43:58 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: Pharmboy

These "zero-tolerance" rules would be more aptly named "zero-intelligence" rules. They are made for idiot bureaucrats who aren't bright enough to asses a situation and determine a proper course of action on there own, hence the prevalence of such rules in the world of education.


5 posted on 10/05/2006 8:44:09 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: kinoxi

But this had to do with the Revolution (amazing enough that they were studying it at all, rather than teaching the kids that whales are as smart as humans). We didn't win the war by throwing Birkenstocks at the Brits...


6 posted on 10/05/2006 8:46:30 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: Joe Brower

Insanity ping...


7 posted on 10/05/2006 8:47:04 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: misterrob

How about the superintendent and principal-these nitwits are responsible for overseeing the education of children?? Oy vay, they are not even fit to manage a fast-food joint!


8 posted on 10/05/2006 8:47:25 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Pharmboy

I wonder what they'd do with the teachers in my kids school who bring in firecrackers?


9 posted on 10/05/2006 8:48:05 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ThomasThomas
Here's how it worked when I was in junior high:

They lock you up in a little room with some hideous gorgon-like creature to watch over you. You're not allowed to speak. In fact, the only thing you're allowed to do is homework.

In-school suspension is usually doled out when detention is deemed too lenient and out-of-school suspension too harsh. However, when I found out I was getting in-school suspension, I would usually do something bad enough to bump my punishment up to out of school suspension, which in actuality is much easier.

10 posted on 10/05/2006 8:49:43 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Pharmboy

Your point is well taken and agreed with. I'm not sure that the objects to be used for the reenactment should be brought in from outside however.


11 posted on 10/05/2006 8:50:07 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: metmom

Hmmm ...... firecrackers and frog's asses ... I vaguely remember ....


12 posted on 10/05/2006 8:51:23 PM PDT by knarf (Islamists kill each other ... News wall-to-wall, 24/7 .. don't touch that dial.)
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To: Pharmboy

Understand that bureaucrats in general, and school administrators specifically, make "zero-tolerance" rules to free themselves from making decisions. Of course, they are paid to make decisions based on their experience, but they don't want to. So, they make "zero-tolerance" rules so that all decisions are pre-made, and they can never be accused of making the wrong decisions. In short, they are cowards.


13 posted on 10/05/2006 8:52:39 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: Pharmboy

It's in the back of their little pea brains, that if we hadn't revolted, today we'd be gun-free, socialist soccer-playing dhimmis, with a National Health Service;)


14 posted on 10/05/2006 8:52:45 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: kinoxi
If kept on site, the toy guns would have to be locked up in a secure cabinet!

This teacher should have told administration and cleared it beforehand...common sense should prevail.

15 posted on 10/05/2006 8:53:23 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: Pharmboy

If you ask me, all of this is just a subtle attempt by the leftist loonies to circumvent the second amendment.


16 posted on 10/05/2006 8:55:27 PM PDT by howtosayitright
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To: Pharmboy
The idiocy of liberal school administrators is amazing. They can't tell the difference between a weapon and a prop. Now who needs to go to skrool? Its not the children.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

17 posted on 10/05/2006 8:59:11 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Pharmboy
Tell the teacher you're bringing in a loaded cannon the next day and then show up with this.

18 posted on 10/05/2006 9:00:05 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: howtosayitright

Bingo!


19 posted on 10/05/2006 9:01:44 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Every single day provides at least one new reason to hate the mainstream media...)
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To: Pharmboy

I have to fall on the side of the school here. Neither of my sons have any right to bring a threatening object onto school property. I've done far more than my share of mischief. I know who/what/where/when/why it happens. I'm not trying to start an argument here but do you approve of students bringing fake knives into class to stab each other with?


20 posted on 10/05/2006 9:05:48 PM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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