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Putin fury at Georgia 'blackmail'
BBC ^ | October 4, 2006 | BBC News

Posted on 10/04/2006 4:25:09 PM PDT by sergey1973

President Vladimir Putin has warned Georgia not to use the "language of provocation and blackmail" against Russia in a speech in parliament. The Duma went on to vote overwhelmingly for a motion echoing Mr Putin's condemnation of "anti-Russian" and "anti-democratic" policies in Tbilisi.

Tension rose in the past week when Georgia detained, then released, four Russian army officers for spying.

Russia has imposed a travel and postal ban between the two countries.

"I would not advise anyone to talk to Russia in the language of provocation and blackmail," Mr Putin said in the Duma. "I am talking about Georgia here."

The motion passed by the Duma accuses Georgia of violating human rights and advocates further economic and financial sanctions.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: conflict; eurasia; putin; republicofgeorgia; russia; saakashvili; spyrow; spyscandal; ussr

1 posted on 10/04/2006 4:25:10 PM PDT by sergey1973
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2 posted on 10/04/2006 4:25:36 PM PDT by sergey1973
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To: sergey1973

Putin misses the good old days when he could have someone dragged into the Lubyanka never to be seen again.


3 posted on 10/04/2006 4:31:56 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.)
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To: sergey1973

Hope he gets a un resolution to go with that whine. We don't wanna see old pooty poot going unilatteral.


4 posted on 10/04/2006 4:36:20 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: sergey1973

One of history's ironies. Stalin, the Georgian, went to the Orthodox seminary in Tblisi (Tiflis) and after the Bolsheviks took over the province rebelled and wasn't subdued until 1921. And Stalin was one of the most ruthless of Georgia's oppressors.

By the way, Stalin always spoke Russian with a heavy accent. Georgia was also where "Koba" committed his bank robberies and acts of terrorism.

Does anyone ever wonder what would have happened if Djugashvili (Stalin) extended his stay in seminary a year and was ordained to the priesthood? One of history's "ifs".


5 posted on 10/04/2006 4:47:12 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: sergey1973
Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov said Russia could speed up the withdrawal of its troops from Georgia because of the current tensions.
In a deal signed last year, Russia pledged to withdraw its 3,000-4,000 troops from Georgia by the end of 2008.

The Rose Revolution has been failing and the Georgian president needed a bogeyman prior to the election tomorrow, and that from a man living in Georgia.

Georgi at the crossroads...again
6 posted on 10/04/2006 4:59:56 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: sergey1973

Putty must feel good when he can bring the old bear claws out.


7 posted on 10/04/2006 5:05:29 PM PDT by processing please hold
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To: T.L.Sink
Stalin also completely reversed Lenin's policies regarding Russian "love for fatherland," actively promoting Russian nationalism even before World War II began. Stalin also enforced the "Russification" of the non-Russian nations conquered by the Soviet Empire, suppressing local language and cultures.
8 posted on 10/04/2006 6:34:39 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: GarySpFc

Yep. Georgia is at the crossroads all right. And Lovin' it!

9 posted on 10/05/2006 1:01:57 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: sergey1973

Pootie: "They can't use blackmail and intimidation! That's MY job!"


10 posted on 10/05/2006 1:07:54 AM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: MarMema

And here from benevolent crowd has arrived a pomegranate.

*)


11 posted on 10/05/2006 1:11:41 AM PDT by Semargl (http://mediactivist.ru/action/5/22)
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To: Semargl
One bad apple (armenian) did not spoil the day.

I was there a week later and they were still madly in love with America and our President.

12 posted on 10/05/2006 1:18:27 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema

Some people love, some people hate. 8)
If You destroy all who do not agree with you, there will be only those who you supports.
( I about Saakashivili).

All opposition of Georgia either in emigration, or in prison, or in a coffin.
They constantly complain on Saakashivili on TVchannels of the CIS .


13 posted on 10/05/2006 1:26:10 AM PDT by Semargl (http://mediactivist.ru/action/5/22)
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To: MarMema

There is nobody left for them to love besides USA.


14 posted on 10/05/2006 3:51:00 AM PDT by Sergei_DV
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To: T.L.Sink
Stalin was best pupil in the seminary, because he had exclusive memory. He was excluded after 9 years of study. His written Russian was blameless. His usual norm of reading was about 300 pages per day. After him there was left library with 10 000 volumes with his marks on pages, and very few personal things. And more than 2000 tons of gold supply, and big strong country.
During WWII Stalin helped to Orthodox church. He was buried according to Christian tradition with reading burial service.
Stalin was most ruthless of Bolsheviks oppressor. Almost nobody survived in 30th. Many of them were Jews.
I am sure, if he was ordained to priesthood according to his mother wish, on the place of Russia there was big Russian Desert.
15 posted on 10/05/2006 4:40:45 AM PDT by Sergei_DV
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To: Sergei_DV

I know Stalin had an excellent memory - and he never forgot the least (as he saw it) wrong done to him. From my reading, he only became friendly with the Orthodox Church during the war when he was appealing to national unity against the German invasion.

It's also my understanding that he spent less than five years in seminary before he joined the revolutionary movement and dropped out.

I also read that his marginal notes in the many books that he perused were often quite revealing. I can cite some if you wish. Regards,


16 posted on 10/05/2006 6:37:08 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: PeterFinn
"Putin misses the good old days when he could have someone dragged into the Lubyanka never to be seen again.

Poor Puti!

I guess he has "Georgia On His Mind".

17 posted on 10/05/2006 8:48:44 AM PDT by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: T.L.Sink
Stalin spent 4 years in initial church scool before seminary, and was granted free of charge learning in seminary for excellent progress in study.
Lavrenty Beria's son writes in memoirs, that scientists blamed Stalin and Soviet leaders. Nobody was punished. After successful tests they were awarded generously.
All Soviet people knew from childhood an fairy tale about horrific beast cockroach by well-known writer K. Chukovsky. It is satire on Stalin. Author was not repressed.
Stalin's environment was not innocent lambs, as it become clear after his death. Communist leaders were quite crude and very active in conspiracy.
In 1950th - 1980th we have no information about Stalin, besides Khcrushchev's lies. We did not heard nothing about Beria, even his name was not mentioned from end of 1950th to 1980th.
I think, Stalin was devoted to deed of all his life - building of Soviet state. He worked hard for it, and never forgot the least wrong done to this state.
Those whose belief is strong can be cruel to heretics.

I would be grateful, if you cite some of Stalin's remarks. Information about him is still scarce. Khcrushchev destroyed Stalin's personal archives and many tons of state archives.
18 posted on 10/06/2006 5:26:52 AM PDT by Sergei_DV
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To: Sergei_DV

I agree with your observations. When I was in graduate school my area of concentration was in Soviet Studies so I've amassed quite a large Lenin/Stalin library.

You mentioned Beria and Amy Knight recently published a good biography of him. It's interesting that immediately following Stalin's death in 1953 that Beria (feared by everyone because of his infamous control of the NKVD) tried to "liberalize" some of Stalin's police state policies - such as releasing some from the Gulag, ending the contrived "doctors' plot" trials, etc.

But all this was done not out of any conviction to do what was right but what he felt to be was EXPEDIENT to solidify his power base. Of course, Khruschev had him shot in 1953.

When Khruschev denounced Stalin in his famous 1956 speech he was doing the same thing. You mentioned that he destroyed many documents. This was because he had been one of Stalin's henchmen himself! Especiallly in the Ukraine. But Khruschev never ceased to idolize Lenin and to perpetuate all the Soviet mythology. And remember, this speech was intended to be secret - only for party elite.

Of course, since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the opening of the archives a vast array of material has become available. It will take historians years to assimilate it all. But one thing is known for sure (if there ever was any doubt) and that is that Stalin was one of the greatest tyrants in history. You know there's no doubt about that when even the far Left is forced to admit it!

Stalin seems to be a composite of many things. But the key unifying factor of these interpretations is his manic obsession with preserving personal autocratic and dictatorial power.

Thus, when it served his purpose Stalin the international Marxist/Leninist became Stalin the nationalist. When it served his purpose Stalin the atheist and persecutor of religion became the friend of Orthodoxy and hosted the Patriarch. And so on.

The whole list is too long for me to cite now but one of the most insightful biographers and authorities on Stalin is Robert Conquest of Stanford - some of whose relations lived in Russia during the purges and collectivization.

You asked for quotes. They are innumerable but my favorite Stalinism is "the death of an individual is a tragedy; the death of a million is a statistic". If one thinks about this it explains alot. If you'd like to hear what I deem to be some of the best in Stalin literature, let me know.


19 posted on 10/06/2006 3:11:56 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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