Genghis misunderstood

Washington Times ^ | 10-3-06 | Matthew Barakat

[muir_redwoods]

So you say. Temugin was a murderous bastard whose appologists have made him something he wasn't. Other's sins don't wash away his.

[orionblamblam]

> Are you seriously taking the position that Jesus didn't exist as a historical figure?

No. Just the position that the evidence for his existence is extremely thin, and nowhere near as strong as for Khan. Plus, the reports of Ghengis describe Just A Guy. The reports for Jesus describe Magical Super Powers. It is never unwise to be highly skeptical of reports of Magical Super Powers.

[PzLdr]

But within the scope of history, he's no worse than many of the figures lionized in western history. Only more successful.

[MitchellC]

It is never unwise to be highly skeptical of reports of Magical Super Powers.

Skepticism, sure.

Unfortunately a lot of people do a lot of outright dismissing and call it "skepticism" for the sake of sounding high-minded and lofty.

[Gengis Khan]

Pinging myself.

[Gengis Khan]

I love threads like these.

[Traianus]

YES but is worth to remember that was his GRANDSON HULAGU KHAN
that took Baghdad....
Hulagu probably always intended to take Baghdad, which the Mongols had been meaning to attack for over ten years, but he used the caliph's refusal to send troops to him as a pretext for conquest, since his brother the Great Khan had ordered him to be merciful to those who submitted. Hulagu sent a message to the caliph, Al-Musta'sim, containing the following:

"When I lead my army against Baghdad in anger, whether you hide in heaven or in earth

I will bring you down from the spinning spheres;
I will toss you in the air like a lion.
I will leave no one alive in your realm;
I will burn your city, your land, your self.

If you wish to spare yourself and your venerable family, give heed to my advice with the ear of intelligence. If you do not, you will see what God has willed."

[Steve Van Doorn]

"Genghis was guy that knew how to interact with Muslims."

When can they get started?

[Virginia-American]

From the article

The world famous excommunicate, Martin Luther, is honored at Thomas Circle, and one of the tallest statues in the city honors South America's Great Liberator, Simon Bolivar.

Other statues include Joan of Arc; Jose Artigas, the father of Uruguayan independence; Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko; and French artist Louis Daguerre.

And Gandhi and Churchill. Over the Supreme Court are Moses, Mohammed, Solon, Hammurabai, and other famous lawgivers. There's an Italian church with statues of Dante, Michaelangelo, Verdi, and Marconi.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Cyber Liberty]

Heh. Reminds me of a bit Cracked Online did about movie bad guys: They were just misunderstood.

Take the Wicked Witch of the West. Dorothy killed her sister, albeit accidentally, but then made off with the Witch’s rightful inheritance, the ruby slippers (an idea that was suggested by a strange deity carrying a stick in a bubble that floated into the village). Dorothy runs to the nearest pliable legal authority in the person of a large bag full of light and smoke to obtain legal title to the shoes she absconded, and was subsequently ordered to murder the put-upon grieving sister in order to buy a balloon ticket somewhere.

While the Witch attempted to recover her lost sentimental property, Dorothy hatched an ad-hoc scheme to KILL the Witch with a bucket of water. She even engaged in a conspiracy dreamed up by her three confederates who broke into the Witch’s home by committing Assault and Battery on three of the Witch’s private security detail. What’s worse, they subjected the victims of their crime to ridicule by using their clothing as cover for their nefarious deeds, leaving them naked off-site.

But, in Dorothy’s defense, she didn’t incur the wrath of PETA by using flying monkeys to help her retrieve a pair of stupid red pumps that were lousy footwear for a miles-long journey on a road made of yellow bricks anyway. A journey made longer, by the way, by starting at the center of spiral flagstone pattern. She did get to enjoy the pleasure of getting really stoned on opium poppies. Yay, um, Dorothy.