Jihad This!

ChronWatch ^ | 10/2/06 | Burt Prelutsky

[tcostell]

I think that's a nice idea, and would be effective in principle, but as someone who worked in the energy trading industry for a substantial period of time, I think the idea of us becoming energy "independent" is unlikely even if we had the political will. Most of the technology that applies to so called energy independence doesn't come into play until oil is above 30 per barrel. And even so, just because we become independent doesn't mean china and Europe will... they will continue to by a fungible natural resource from the people most able to supply it, and where oil is concerned ... that's Saudi Arabia.SA has the lowest cost per barrel by a substantial margin... and there is no getting away from that. you can subsidize other technology, but that doesn't actually change it's net cost, only it's price to the consumer. And at the end of the day we simply don't have the resources to produce enough "low cost" energy to meet our needs.

One way that would make your scenario play out however would be if all those peak oil estimates (which I don't actually agree with) were to play out, and we simply use it all up. That would put us and our technology at a competitive advantage, and they could all go back to selling each other camels and rugs.

[COBOL2Java]

I think another reason they don't fight is because they are afraid that, deep down, the Islamist Nazis might actually have the correct interpretation of what God (Allah) wants. If they fight against it, they'll wind up on the wrong side of eternity.

To fight this is one of Bush's strategies - to eventually tip the Muslim frame of mind to the point where they begin to doubt. When enough of them start believing "Allah is not with them [the terrorists]," it will be the beginning of their end.

[Steel Wolf]

Perhaps we should start by only killing those moslims who would kill us......that might not be all of them, but again it might well be

Great idea. We can take a survey by handing out these flyers.

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Jihadist Reduction Program

Are you planning on attacking the citizens, infrastructure, personal or government property of the United States of America, either within its territorial boundaries or abroad, with the intent to cause death, injury, destruction, or mass casualties? (Circle one)

Yes
No
Maybe

If you answered "Yes" or "Mabye", please write your name, address, date of birth, and a good daytime telephone number below.

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[esopman]

Actually, you are spot on...good on you. The two words are related and the Palestinians of today are little different from the murderous Philistines of three millenia ago. The same enmity. The same violence. The same spiritual driving ha-satan.

[3AngelaD]

Agreed we do not need to stain our hands with genocide. That would make us no better than they are. But what we do need to do is contain them. Keep them out of our country, send the ones who are here home, and encourage other Western nations to do the same. Contain them, make them stay in their home countries and do not allow them to infect us. They want to live in the freedom and prosperity of our countries, but they don't have a clue how to live with us in peace and want to destroy the very societies they migrated to. So they can stay home.

[Jason_b]

"A good Indian friend points out that India has a huge Muslim population that is much less militant, usually because they are spending so much energy making money."

The other path: The Economic Answer to Terrorism, de soto

Addresses South American Marxist terrorism but might be relevant to the islamic problem.

For general interest: The mystery of capital, de soto

[Vision]

Everyone talks about the "peaceful" muslims. When "peaceful" muslims are able to change our culture by absurdly creating alcohol free cabs, there is no such thing as a "peaceful" muslim. Does it matter if aggression is straight forward or passive? It's just a fight now or somewhere down the line. They have no respect for the West.

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth"

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998

[Jason_b]

"...They want to live in the freedom and prosperity of our countries..."

I don't think that they think to themselves, or discuss among themselves, hey, let's move to America, or Britain, because you know, I'd like to be more free. That would presume they come here and become gainfully employed and start accumulating wealth. That is not what happens.

Those who have come here or gone to Britain and become the most vocal with their virulent hatred agitating for violence while speaking pubicly to large groups of muslims, THEY ARE ON THE DOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And far as I know they still are. Why. Why does the state subsidize nests of radical islam...see the French with their high rise ghettos of segregated muslims on public assistance, the ones that rioted a few months back. That's not freedom. That's not prosperity. As there is a blood supply to the cancerous tumor that eventually metastasizes and kills the patient, welfare and the socialism that supports it is the supply of nourishment to the cancerous tumors of insular islam existing in these ghettos that will result in the death of the patient, the west. Some cancers are treated by cutting off the blood supply to the tumor. The west must, Must, MUST eliminate welfare and relief for these muslims so they can either go to work and join the real world, or leave. And we might want to rethink welfare for the white and the black natives as well, it does them no more good than it does the muslims.

[Jason_b]

You are not talking about the peaceful muslims. Any muslims in the news are not peaceful, because if they were, they wouldn't be in the news. But there are those who are not in the news because they are peaceful and are just going about their business not trying to change anything.

I know christians who don't read the bible, but claim to be christians. I work here with muslims who will tell you they are muslims, but they drink, smoke, party, date,behave just like westerners, never a word about jihad. They are educated, and products of the west. They don't pray 5 times a day either. And seldom do they open a koran, and if they do it's a reading, in one ear and out the other. Like mass in latin.

Funny thing about religion, if you grow up with your parents telling you that you are [fill in the blank], then [fill in the blank] is what you are going to feel you are for the rest of your life. It is also very possible you may not know much about the religion of [fill in the blank], and get all your guidance from the surrounding prevailing culture and mores, and not from the main figure of the religion of [fill in the blank]. And if everyone else in the religion of [fill in the blank] goes berserko and blows up the planet, you will wonder what is wrong with those wackos but you will still feel you have the identity of [fill in the blank]. It is just how the mind works. If they can't tell you they are muslim, then they will be at a loss to tell you what they are because they are not christian, not jewish, not atheist, not agnostic, so it puts them in a very uncomfortable position. They don't want to be nothing after they were told as children that they are muslim children.

We recognize individual responsibility in this country, we abhor group rights and group responsibility. The minority western muslims who are not in the news are neither individually nor group responsible for the vast majority uneducated backward Eastern barbarian muslims, nor should they be. But we should be damn careful who we let in this country and upon the least suspicion that an entrant applicant is going to be a "tough nut" regarding the west, deny deny deny. And expel those who are here now and have not assimilated and are engaged in nefarious activities. And for God's sake, stop the socialism that is enabling disaffected poor people of any or no religion who cannot connect with productive society.

[3AngelaD]

I agree with you 100 percent. The come to our societies as parasites, and to behave in ways their societies would not allow.

[Twinkie]

Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

[Twinkie]

The Achille Lauro passenger in the wheelchair was an American Jew. These Muslim's hatred of the Jews (and Americans - the entire Judeo/Christian ethic) is rabid and defies just about all logic - excepting the logic of Islam's bottom line of hatred of Christ and the lineage that produced Him and the country that was founded on the Judeo/Christian ethic. Support your local church, be thankful it's there as a standard against the ubiquitous infernal mosques on every street corner blasting out their "waah-waah-waah's" five times a day on loudspeakers.

"When the enemy shall come in like a flood, He shall throw up a standard against him."

[LeGrande]

Short of killing all the Muslims, I think the only solution is to seize the oil fields. Then let the Muslims starve or work. The terrorists that we have been mostly dealing with are rich well educated Muslims.

Stop the money flow and end terrorism.

[stevie_d_64]

Well...

My loins have been girded for years...I'm good to go...

But it's starting to chafe...

[Allegra]

My loins have been girded for years...I'm good to go...

Well, come on over!

Target-rich environment right outside the front door. ;-)

[Knitting A Conundrum]

You would know about that better than most!

[attiladhun2]

Let me say that you have stated the situation about as well as (though not at all pc) I've ever seen it stated. The problem here in the West is that many people (esp. the elites) are not willing to look reality square in its often very ugly face. They would rather turn away and pretend reality is something other than what it actually is. Hence, they come up with idiotic notions, such as "socialism" and "liberalism," which are nothing more than flights into fantasy. This is why I would say the basic difference between the Left and Conservatives is that the Left ignores or distorts reality, while a Conservative desires that his thinking conforms to reality. The reality is that Islam has been at war with every other ideology since its inception.

[backtothestreets]

I read a very interesting New York Times article in our local Fresno newspaper yesterday that indicates a dramatic departure in western perceptions of Islam. It is more notable that it was a front page article here. It not only made mention of how conservatives view Muslims, but is the first widely published article that delved into the growing European concerns expressed by liberals of the intolerance practiced by Muslims. The article can be accessed at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/europe/11muslims.html?em&ex=1160712000&en=34a1441b298f76c0&ei=5070

While the article addresses European concerns, there are some aspects I find interesting. First the article is addressing concerns a great many within our nation hold. It also lays a groundwork of a new national consensus toward Islam. Where a great many of our religious citizens have expressed concerns over the religion, this article cited that and added the social concerns of liberals. As a nation we've a rather noble history if intolerance toward groups that practice intolerance. It is neither conservative or liberal, but embraced by both and completely American.

The article is sterile in comparison to what I would be inclined to write, but I see it as a first effort in building a consensus, and as such applaud it. For such an article to be authored and published by the New York Times, not known for being a conservative voice, is a necessary step forward if Islam is to be stopped and held accountable for their atrocities against non-Muslims.