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Teacher caught with gun at school (Female carrying pistol for protection from ex-husband)
The Olympian ^ | September 26, 2006 | Venice Buhain and Jeremy Pawloski

Posted on 10/01/2006 2:17:32 PM PDT by Mini-14

LACEY - A 33-year-old teacher at Nisqually Middle School is on administrative leave after school officials discovered she brought a .38 Special handgun - along with bullets - on school grounds Thursday, according to the Thurston County Sheriff's Office.

Teacher Mary Catherine Roe, who lives in Shelton, told deputies she was fearful of her husband and that he used a gun while assaulting her, according to a sheriff's report. Roe also has a domestic violence protection order against her husband, according to Mason County records.

No decision was made Monday about whether Roe will face criminal charges, Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Dave Ryan said.

Roe is under investigation for the charge of unlawfully carrying a firearm, which was in her purse, on school grounds. The law says no one except law enforcement officers can bring a firearm onto school grounds. The charge is a gross misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail and a $5,000 fine.

Nisqually parents received a letter from the school Friday explaining that a staff member brought a weapon to school and was placed on leave. The letter reminded parents that it is against state law to bring any firearm to a school campus. The letter did not name the staff member.

Assistant Superintendent of Human Resources Brian Wharton for North Thurston Public Schools declined to confirm or deny who was on leave. No charges have been filed and no district disciplinary action has been taken, he said. Students did not see the weapon, Wharton said.

Roe is a language arts teacher, according to the school's Web site.

Wharton said the district is cooperating with the sheriff's office. District officials will consider the results of the criminal investigation before they decide on any disciplinary action.

He said the district policies don't specifically address what to do if staff members bring weapons to school, though it references the state law forbidding firearms on campuses.

"We expect our staff members to follow the law," he said.

School officials learned about the gun after a co-worker asked Roe how she is protecting herself against her husband, the police report states, and she told him that she had a gun in her purse, according to the sheriff's department.

The co-worker told Nisqually Principal Karen Owen, the report states, and school officials called deputies.

Roe told deputies "that she was aware that she should not bring the gun to school. She thought that if she was discovered that she would simply be asked to put it in her vehicle. Ms. Roe said that she has a concealed weapons permit and is proficient at shooting because of her military training."

Roe was visibly upset and crying when police came to the school Thursday to investigate, the report states.

Roe told deputies that her father had purchased the handgun for her after her husband had assaulted her Aug. 5, "and she has carried it with her ever since," the report states. Roe's husband, Shawn Roe, is awaiting trial on pending charges of unlawful imprisonment and malicious mischief, according to Mason County records.

Her claim that she has a concealed weapons permit could not be confirmed. An official at the state Department of Licensing said Monday that the names of individuals who carry concealed weapons permits is confidential and is not open to the public under state law.

The Thurston County Sheriff's report does not state whether Roe's handgun was loaded, but states that the gun, along with five bullets, were confiscated.

Roe has filed a divorce petition, which is pending, against her husband, according to court records.

The district has the discretion whether to report the incident to the Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction, which is in charge of teacher licensing, state superintendent spokeswoman Kim Schmanke said. It is not one of the offenses that set off an automatic investigation by the state, she said.

Roe could not be reached for comment Monday at a phone number for her residence in Shelton.

After a concerned parent at Monday's school board meeting questioned the lack of a weapons policy for employees, school board President Judy Wilson responded that she would be interested in exploring a policy for employees who bring weapons to campus.

"I personally believe that we need to have one. We have one about drugs and alcohol," she told the parent and the school board.


TOPICS: US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 2nd; amendment; banglist; concealed; education; guns; license; olympia; pistol; schools; second; washington
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To: Melas
It's cut and dried, black and white. While one may be sympathetic to the teacher, the fact that she broke the law is undeniable and not debateable.

Do you feel that way about all laws? How about the laws that most of the Senate and part of the House, and President Bush do not favor enforcing?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

41 posted on 10/01/2006 3:00:01 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: txroadkill

A bullet by itself will not leave the barrel of a gun.


42 posted on 10/01/2006 3:01:25 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Cobra64
Do you feel that way about all laws? How about the laws that most of the Senate and part of the House, and President Bush do not favor enforcing? Inquiring minds would like to know.

I can honestly say that I do my absolute best to obey all laws, even traffic laws.

43 posted on 10/01/2006 3:02:41 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas
When it comes to self defense, IMHO, any law is mute. You and I and everyone else has the right to defend themselves if they think that at any moment they could be attacked. Yes a jury nullification is in order in this circumstance.
44 posted on 10/01/2006 3:02:45 PM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzlim velocity)
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To: Mini-14

First, I think the more responsible teachers we have armed the better. In this case I disagree though. Her hot head to be ex has already shown he can be violent. IMO she should have explained the circumstances to her principal and asked for a transfer to a lower risk area temporarily because if she feared her husband enough to think he might come to her school then, her students were at risk too.


45 posted on 10/01/2006 3:05:53 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: operation clinton cleanup
***After the events of last week, I think teachers should be encouraged to arm themselves.***

After the Mah'lot schoolhouse massacre in Israel by the ROP back in the 1970's, teachers and some students were armed with assault rifles!
It has been suggested in the US, but from my experience in High School back in the 1960's, some students think it is their purpose in life to "set off" the teachers.
46 posted on 10/01/2006 3:07:22 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ((Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter))
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To: Mini-14
School officials learned about the gun after a co-worker asked Roe how she is protecting herself against her husband, the police report states, and she told him that she had a gun in her purse, according to the sheriff's department.

The co-worker told Nisqually Principal Karen Owen, the report states, and school officials called deputies.

Accessory after the fact -- to murder.

47 posted on 10/01/2006 3:08:17 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Mini-14
a .38 Special handgun - along with bullets

Wow! I would have expected her to bring a handgun along with a steamed vegetable, but that's just me...

48 posted on 10/01/2006 3:09:16 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: Melas
You don't get it, that's fine, we'll just disagree respectfully.

I don't condone criminal activity but there are times when the law itself creates criminal activity via poor judgment & unintended consequences.

49 posted on 10/01/2006 3:10:06 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I don't consider it tattling in this case. I would have voiced my concerns too if I though a "shoot out" coming. IAC I hope she doesn't get in to too much trouble. Sad situation.


50 posted on 10/01/2006 3:11:10 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg

My $0.02. That gun she had coulda jumped out of her purse and started assaulting kids. There's already a lwa barring her husband from bringing one onto school property, so she really didn't need it. If her husband were to actually attack her, all she would have to do is call 9-11.

Right?


51 posted on 10/01/2006 3:11:55 PM PDT by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
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To: Melas

How about the laws that most of the Senate and part of the House, and President Bush do not favor enforcing? Are they breaking the law? Yes or no?


52 posted on 10/01/2006 3:12:27 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Mini-14
It is stories like this and the previous couple about individuals (adult & student) walking unchallenged into schools and killing whom they please that are going to make schools extremely unsafe for whomever is being pursued by those who want them dead. It also has to catch the attention of terrorists (i.e. Beslan) who want to make the most impact on those they wish to influence. We are on the very edge of a horrific incident which will be the culmination of the agenda of the left regarding self-protection.

When it finally explodes in our faces, may God bring justice upon those who have brought all of this on those of us who are innocent and may it be total and complete.

53 posted on 10/01/2006 3:14:22 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Are you a member of the NRA?


54 posted on 10/01/2006 3:17:16 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: umgud
No. The last women we read about here was right when she said her husband was going to kill her. It's realistic that he could come up to the school with his gun and meet her gun and kids could have accidentally got hurt. Even without a weapon I think the responsible thing to do is to tell your boss that you have a problem. I would not be upset to learn that a teacher was armed to protect her students. I just would want to know about safety precautions. However if I was informed that the teacher was going thru a divorce and that her husband had recently assaulted her and was threatening to again, I would be very concerned about kids getting hurt.
55 posted on 10/01/2006 3:19:04 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Melas
I also carry a gun, and I'm downright pedantic about obeying state and local laws.

"...the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I'm not about to set myself up to become a victim just because some lame-o politician thought he knew better than the Founders of our nation.

56 posted on 10/01/2006 3:21:44 PM PDT by Max in Utah (WWBFD? "What Would Ben Franklin Do?")
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To: CindyDawg

Hey, I was just being a little facetious. Sorry it didn't come off that way.


57 posted on 10/01/2006 3:22:07 PM PDT by umgud (I love NASCAR as much as the Democrats hate Bush)
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To: Shooter 2.5
No I'm not, but I understand that the NRA makes it a point that gun owners follow all gun laws to a T.

Some gunowners aren't members of the NRA or any other gun-rights organization, however, and aren't familiar with the 20,000 or so federal/state/local gun laws. They just need a gun for protection, they're just people who need a weapon to protect themselves. So all that "De law iz de law" babble is moot.

58 posted on 10/01/2006 3:25:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: umgud

Yeah, call 911. lol Our local police took 2 hours to respond to a 911 call. 2 on duty(small town), both transporting prisoners to the local jail from the station.Only glad, no one was killed. It was a break-in, the husband caught the guy, thinking cops were on the way! The perp decided to leave after a bit. Yup, and now they want more money to get more oficers! lol I would rather count on myself than ever count on any LEO.


59 posted on 10/01/2006 3:28:30 PM PDT by ozaukeemom (Nuke the ACLU and their snivel rights!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This is where the charge to Peace Officers and Prosecutors to enforce the Spirit of the Law instead of the Word of the law has been taken away. There was a time where a police officer dispatched to this call would say "look,  I know you brought this gun because you felt your life is in danger and you have no intent to kill anyone or start any trouble with this gun, but it is against the law to bring this gun to school. Take the gun home and we will come up with some ways to make you feel safer."

But with so many people (the press) looking to "make their bones" by exposing something that will cause controversy, LEO's these days are too afraid to use their own judgment. They know they can't get fired or prosecuted by just following the word of the law and then pass the buck up to the DA, who is in the same boat the LEO is, and says screw it, let the jury decide.  It sucks, but what do you think the media would do if they got word that a cop "refused to enforce a law".

60 posted on 10/01/2006 3:29:38 PM PDT by txroadkill
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