Fugitive cop killer shot 68 times

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15012086/ ^

[Hazcat]

OK will take your number of 2-3 seconds to reload. You will have to empty your weapon in a controlled manner (shooting to hit the perp) and reload all in about 4 seconds. Can do? Do you think most cops can?

[SauronOfMordor]

All firing had stopped in about 4 seconds so NO RELOADING took place.

The given article does not seem to mention 4 seconds. Do you happen to recall where you got that figure?

[shove_it]

MORE AMMO!!! MORE AMMO!!!

[Hazcat]

I was listening to the reporter on FOX radio when the firing happened.

[osideplanner]

There are several ways to interpret the sheriff's statement. Non-professional is one of them.

Your proposed policy is very relevant because it is a test to see if you can state a practical policy which would have prevented the situation you ctiticized. If you can't, your position is only theoretical or worse, hypocritical.

[Zeppo]

Your "speed loaders" load a firearm not a magazine.

Again, you are mistaken. My S&W 625-8 and my 625-10 are both firearms. I do not have a "speed loader" for those guns (well, actually somewhere in my range bag I do have a speed loader that I sometimes use with the 625-10 when I am loading it with .45 Auto Rim ammo, but when I use .45 ACP ammo, which is most of the time, I use the clips). I do have full-moonclips and half-moonclips which I use to load my handguns. When the handgun is loaded, the moonclip is physically inside the gun, whereas with speed loaders, once the speed loader dispenses the cartridges, the speed loader is removed from the gun. Neither of those handguns uses a magazine. Each of those handguns uses a clip.

[VeniVidiVici]

As I stated EACH cop has to make the decision to shoot or not, they don't have telepathic capabilities or time to discuss among themselves.

Nah. Don't you know that 100 cops wading through thick brush, come across the perp with a gun in his hand are supposed to shoot the gun out of his hand and then negotiate his surrender.

Some of the statements on this thread woud make a wonderful Monty Python script.

I would like to point out that the cops searching those woods the day before had come across a black kid that had snuck out of his high school's lockdown.

And what do you know; he didn't get shot.

[Zeppo]

Your proposed policy is very relevant because it is a test to see if you can state a practical policy which would have prevented the situation you ctiticized. If you can't, your position is only theoretical or worse, hypocritical.

No, not at all. Do the LEO departments have practical policies which would have prevented the situation that I criticized? I'd bet that the answer is 'yes'. Again, if you were to look at the statistics on police shootings, and the count of rounds fired, and the count of rounds that hit, you will undoubtedly find that it is rare for individual LEOs to shoot until all of their ammo is gone. It would be even more rare to find that every single LEO shot until all of their ammo was gone. So, in practical terms, there do seem to be LEO department policies in use under which disciplined and professional LEOs do not find it necessary to do what evidently was done in this situation.

[Eaker]

When the handgun is loaded, the moonclip is physically inside the gun.

If it stays inside the weapon then it is a magazine.

[MNJohnnie]

Excellent Work!

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"Can do? Do you think most cops can?"

I can. I know quite a few people who can, but I seriously doubt that many cops train to do so as often as is necessary. The gungrabbers say that only the LEOs and the soldiers should be allowed to own guns. That's scary.

Michael Frazier

[osideplanner]

You believe the sheriff was trying to be factual when he said "it's all the rounds we had." You believe a SWAT team has 110 rounds of ammunition. If you don't know what policy would prevent the "problem" you are citing, then you need to sit back and let the other posters splain it to you.

BTW what action was taken by the SWAT members that you think was illegal or against policy?

[F.J. Mitchell]

Depends upon one's definition of discipline and/or professionalism.

IMHO, Professionalism means getting the job done as expediently as possible. Discipline, is working as a team toward getting that job done.

Ammo is cheap compared to the life of one deputy or one more victim, should the perp get off one more round or escape.

[Zeppo]

This has been hashed out ad nauseum on most of the gun forums that I frequent. You can refer to your authorities, and I can refer to mine. In the end, this is a silly discussion, because it sprung from you trying to take the humorous alliteration of Does it say, let 'er rip, empty the clip? too literally in a failed and misguided attempt to gainsay the actual point that I was making, which is that the officers' behavior needs to be evaluated in the context of LEO department policies governing the use of deadly force. You don't actually dispute that, do you?

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Well, I am one trigger happy son of a bit**... and I am alive...

[river rat]

Stop worrying about HOW an a$$hole like this is killed..

Frankly -- I would prefer to SEE all murdering criminal a$$holes killed like this.
Quickly and without undue expense or risk to the public or the police.

Most times - I would vote to have those jerks attempting to evade arrest by speeding down highways -- killed as a matter of course -- as a means to protect the innocent public and convey the message to our criminal population that it isn't "cool" to recklessly speed away and put others at risk...

As a matter of fact -- after seeing the results of drunken drivers on the highway -- I believe a case could be make to destroy drunks who get behind the wheel and cause a death or injury to others.

Premeditated deadly acts -- DESERVE deadly consequences..
Behave as a cockroach -- die like one.

Semper Fi

[Zeppo]

BTW what action was taken by the SWAT members that you think was illegal or against policy?

Since I never stated that I thought that some action taken by the SWAT members was illegal or against policy, you are again trying to put words into my mouth, and so to continue the discussion in the face of that is, well, at best unproductive. I stand by my statements as written.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"Well, I am one trigger happy son of a bit**... and I am alive..."

Bless all of us trigger happy SOBs.

Michael Frazier

[Balding_Eagle]

My only wish would be for the cops to think the death of any citizen was as heinous a crime as the death of a cop.

It isn't as heinous a crime.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

There always needs to be an investigation... in a case like this, it should only take a second or two...