Posted on 09/30/2006 7:13:34 AM PDT by tgambill
BELGRADE – Just 12 percent of Serbs believe Serbia will hold on to its Kosovo province, according to the results of an opinion poll published on Friday that fly in the face of Belgrade's official line. Fifty-eight percent said they wanted the United Nations-administered province to remain part of Serbia, but few believe it is a realistic expectation, said pollster Marko Blagojevic.
'We have two dimensions here. One emotional, and the other rational,' said Blagojevic, of the respected Centre for Free Elections and Democracy (CeSID).
Serbian leaders 'managed to convince the people they want Kosovo to remain part of Serbia, but simply did not make a good enough case for them to expect this,' he said.
The United Nations is expected to decide within months whether to grant Kosovo a form of supervised independence, seven years after NATO wrested control of the majority Albanian province to stop what it said was becoming a bloodbath.
Serbia says Kosovo's amputation would violate international law and embolden ethnic separatists across Europe.
Parliament is poised to adopt a new state constitution that enshrines Kosovo as Serb land forever. Rhetoric plays constantly on its almost mythic status, the Serbs' Orthodox heartland and site of their epic 1389 defeat by the Ottoman Turks.
But of two million people who live there, 90 percent are ethnic Albanians who lost 10,000 people in the 1998-99 conflict and would see any return to Serb rule as a fresh call to war.
Diplomats say independence is almost certain.
According to the CeSID poll, conducted between Aug 26 and Sept 5, 36 percent said they expected independence. Seventeen percent thought the territory would be split in two, with Serbia taking a thin slice of mainly Serb land in the north.
Only 12 percent thought Kosovo would remain an autonomous region of Serbia, while 29 percent were unsure.
Serbs and Albanians opened direct talks in February in Vienna but there has been no compromise on the central issue of Kosovo's future status. U.N. mediator Martti Ahtisaari is expected to propose a solution by November which
"You think we are going to do that again? I don't remember anytime in history where the US was so wrong in a war."
There is no question that we are going to Macedonia and eventually toward the other Baltic states. The reasons are simple and the agenda is clear. Once Kosovo becomes independent the region will become, as planned, unstable. Richard Holbrooke described it perfectly in 1998. But said the opposite in 2002 or 2003....I've got the quotes put aside if you want them.
That is the problem, bear with me here. We were very wrong being in Kosovo. However, this went according to plan and is basically on schedule. This was planned from Bosnia to Kosovo and is working accordingly. We are only halfway to complete the entire agenda. Independent Kosovo and the Greater Albania is a major Objective. Taking out Bosnia and Croaia were just preliminary objectives.......
Boy you ARE on one trick pony!
I'm having real trouble getting confirmation from other sources on the contentions made in this article. Does anyone have any other links to confirm this article?
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/dfasa011606.htm
Especially, On November 17, 2005, the Syrian security forces arrested the Albanian Xhavit Haliti in Damascus as a member of the international terrorist organization al-Qaida
Any confirmations on this as well?
There are specific reasons to confirm this other than personal interests.....
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_52/b3763127.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3749616.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/business/4130271.stm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/europe/caspian100598.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,438134,00.html
All this is fascinating information about how war is conducted and all that. During your learning I need to warn you. Information that you get is 98% factual information but the key 2% is often fabrication or omited.
For example: During the early and mid 30’s most of the population of the US was pro-Hitler. I bet your information just happens to leave that part out. I know it does, I read this information already.
No sooner said than an example comes up...."continue with reforms needed for the Balkans country to get closer to the European Union and NATO."
Can it be more clearer...........sort of like the little ole lady sitting at the intersection. the light turns green but she continues to sit, not paying attention. The man in the car yells out..."Damn lady, git moving, the light ain't gonna git any greener".....:))
It has been a long time since I read that... do you remember why he did that?
well now it doesn't.....and did you check out Henry Fords persuasion as were some other very signficant folks of today....:)
You said that 98% of what one gets is factual, and 2% is fabricated. Not necessarily true. Case in point, the information about Kosovo is 80% fabricated and 20% is fact. Most of the story of Kosovo from official sources is fabricated or exaggerated in order to justify our breaking up the Balkans.
I don't see the point about the population supporting Hitler. If they did or didn't isn't significant to the point. There were clear indications by Hitlers own speeches what he was going to do to the Jews, and how he was going to be as a dictator. Being on Freerepublic for one month, two month, 7 years makes is of no significance. A forum is just another discussion group that one can contribute, maybe learn, deal with folks that think they know but have no clue, special groups to actually spread false info, on purpose to promote the spins....etc....So, you just substantiated my assertions and I appreciate that. It works.
I left out an entire book of information.......as I don't think the readers would want to read a post that has all the information in a book for one or two posts, you think? :) I do through investigation and triangulate my sources. Even then, you have to research the author, poke around with opposing views, discount your own view, sort of like being prosecutor and defense in your own trial. Even then, one learns something. I don't believe in Experts. I believe an "expert" is just someone that knows a lot about a subject but not all of it. To be a true expert one must be willing to accept that they don't know all and are appreciative when someone brings something new to the table. right-o...
give me a minute to formulate that......it's a key question.
I don't know about that...this is a first. I can't answer why he, Bush Sr. would do that, I can only say why we are involved with the Balkans. There are many reasons......that lead to one. It's about the oil and natural gas lines being built. Long, long story short.
If you can find or if I happen to find that specific article It would be good. If you meant senior Bush, then you are talking about pre-1992. So, that means...
1991: After communists give up monopoly on power, three of Yugoslavia's six federated republics -- Slovenia, Croatia and Macedonia -- declare independence. Brief armed attempt to prevent Slovenia's secession fails. In Croatia, up to 10,000 die as anti-independence Serbs declare their own state within Croatia. Croatian army retakes the territory.
1992: Bosnia declares independence but without consensus among key ethnic groups: Muslims, Serbs and Croats. Widespread fighting and violent land grab begin, leaving 200,000 people dead and millions homeless in 3 1/2 years of war. Serbia and Montenegro decide to carry on as Yugoslavia. International sanctions imposed on the country as punishment for Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic's warmongering.
You might find it interesting and if you check it out, discover anything more for updating, I would be beholding....:) Keeping in mind the above timeline, about 1993, the CIA asked the Inter-Services Intelligence ISI of Pakistan to divert part of the dregs (HUM and HUJI), to Bosnia and fight the Serbs...Christian Orthodox. We are talking, Islamic terrorist. They murdered and raped Serbs, beheadings and all kinds of mass murders.
Want to see a movie clip of these people.....
http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,91134-bosnia_p3705,00.html
Milo allowed his paramilitaries to run wild, big mistake. The official claim is that 8,000 muslims were slaughtered. That is BS..... most of the Muslims killed were these dregs. This is what you do in a war. however, the Serbs aren't innocent by any stretch due to their behavior as the paramilitiaries.....there were no Rape camps, they didn't slaughter 10's of thousands in Kosovo.....or even 10,000 or even 3,000....the KLA murdered almost as many and also murdered their own......
Now, back to the Dregs in Bosnia. The transfer is alleged to have been funded by Saudi Intelligence, arms and ammo by the Iranian Intelligence, and the leadership/guidance by retired officers of the ISI and Turkish intelligence. In Croatian I know that the American company called MPRI advised Ceku as the confronted the Serbs there. reference Operation Storm. Finally, Omar Sheikh, the person who planned the Pearl Kidnapping, got his time in Bosnia. Now, from Bosnia the group was diverted to Kosovo by the CIA. The Saudi Charities would serve as fronts to allow them to move about. Also, the Albanian Mafia forged a "relationship" with the Muh. under the strick guidance that if you touch Americans or cause problems here we will kill you. Otherwise we can do business together....and as Paul Harvey would say, Now you know the rest of the story.
A source sent me this today.......I've copy pasted this here.....without names.....
Tom
U.S. European Commander Confirms Quotes In Book
I guess the main point is that the same agenda in 1935 is in play today by the same folks.....obviously some older and in most cases their offspring that has been pulled into the family "business" shall we say. passed down from generation to generation and will effect our lives in the near future when they drag us into a one world goverment quickly.....yes, it will be done quickly.....
What ever the figure is it isn’t 98% fact for Kosovo I agree. Most of the news coming from Islamic sources or news willingly duped by Islamic sources is way off that mark. It is part of their campaign to fight us and it seems to work for much of our population.
”folks (at FreeRepublic) that think they know but have no clue”
You take people like Hoplite to seriously. I have found Freerepublic is a great place in general to ask questions.
”It's about the oil and natural gas lines being built.”
Be careful of conspiracies. The oil pipe lines stuff is just full of leftist hatred of the oil industry. Weeding out fact from fiction from those sources is nearly impossible.
”the main point is that the same agenda in 1935 is in play today by the same folks.”
No they are not. You are falling for the concept of how big business is controlling everything. Don’t fall for that trap. No doubt they have a great deal of influence and often live above our laws, but they don’t control everything.
I would highly recommend you watch an old movie called, “Mr Smith goes to Washington.” The ending is not realistic but the show does give you an idea how things kinda operate.
["You take people like [Hoplite] (too) seriously. "]
But, after a while, it gets to be a little bit too much.
More specifically, if when one [Hoplite] attempts to smash others down with insults with the intent to make one [Hoplite] feel that it raises him or her self [Hoplite] up then it gets beyond reproach...set aside Balkan issues.
I have found Freerepublic is a great place in general to ask questions.
*****perfect agreement.
"The oil pipe lines stuff is just full of leftist hatred of the oil industry. Weeding out fact from fiction from those sources is nearly impossible"
**** This is the actual reason. The same holds true when our money supported the Bolshevik's. The principle they use is, "To build an empire, you fight a war. To fight a war you find an enemy to provoke or engage. If you have no enemy, then you make one". This is exactly what they are using and have been using for generations. The New World Order agenda is real and is in progress as we speak. The only problem is to get Americans to wake up to to this fact. This is the hard part.
Big business in fact does control world politics. Read a true, documented story that has been confirmed and gives names and keep in mind, it did happen. It also got buried over the years, never reached the public domain except for the work of researchers.
I've been trying to find other explanations and like you, downplay the notion that big business, ie. Rothschild, DuPont, J.P. Morgan, etc...doesn't control our government. It does......no way to play it down I discovered. I also discovered without a doubt that Pearl harbor was in fact set up for the kill. This is also no doubt. I finished a 19 page document with dates on what was known and who did or said what.......It's an ugly picture. It's factual........I'm almost sorry I did the research. Big business does control this country and Europe.
THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE BY JULES ARCHER
http://www.clubhousewreckards.com/plot/plottoseizethewhitehouse.htm
Americans can no longer be shocked by the discovery that information directly affecting their personal freedom is withheld from news media to protect persons with governmental influence. But it still comes as a shocking revelation that in 1933 there was an actual attempt to make a fascist puppet of Pres¬ident Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Now, more than forty years later, the public still remains ignorant of the story behind THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE.
The fact that the plot was a failure and our present government is still a democracy, is directly attributable to Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, one of the most remarkable generals in American history. A veteran of 35 years in the Marine Corps and twice a recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor, Butler finally decided that "war is a racket!" His reputation for patriotism, in¬tegrity, and dedication to democracy, cou¬pled with his proclivity to speak the truth as he saw it irrespective of official policy, made him a seemingly perfect front for the men who hated Roosevelt. They were people with a determination, if it were impossible to replace the president, to manipulate him through the person of an American Musso¬lini. Their short-sightedness prevented their realizing that Butler was obviously the wrong choice for the job.
Jules Archer quotes testimony from the McCormack-Dickstein House Committee on Un-American Activities hearings (including testimony that was subsequently censored from public record) that details how Butler was approached by representatives of the arch-conservative American Liberty League; how they tried to persuade him to lead an army of veterans in demonstration against Roosevelt's silver standard; how Butler quickly concluded that the silver standard controversy was being used as a subterfuge to lead American veterans against Washing¬ton for truly sinister purposes; and how this hero, patriot, and Republican democrat, upon uncovering the full dimensions of the con¬spiracy, determined to go to Washington and blow it wide open.
John L. Spivak, a reporter assigned to cover the committee hearings, calls the story "one of the most fantastic plots in Amer¬ican history. . . . What was behind the plot was shrouded in a silence which has not been broken to this day. Even a generation later, those who are still alive and know all the facts have kept their silence so well that the conspiracy is not even a footnote in American histories. It would be regrettable if historians neglected this episode and fu¬ture generations of Americans never learned of it."
I don’t take him seriously.
The liberal media never told Americans the truth when they portrayed muslims as victims throughout the Balkan Wars of the 1990s. They never pointed out that muslims were committing atrocoties as well. I am not condoning the Serbs actions, but we never should have taken sides in the issue.
Absolutely..............
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