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Russia worried by NATO expansion
rian.ru ^ | 29/ 09/ 2006

Posted on 09/29/2006 4:34:51 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

PORTOROZ (Slovenia), September 29 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is concerned about the expansion of NATO's infrastructure in the new member states of the northern alliance, Russia's defense minister said.

Sergei Ivanov, who is also deputy prime minister, said at a session of the Russia-NATO Council: "We are worried by the reconfiguration of NATO's infrastructure without prospects for the ratification of the Adapted Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe [CFE]."

The CFE treaty establishes limits on military hardware and troop numbers for all countries from the Atlantic to the Urals, and aims to establish a military balance on the European continent. The Istanbul Commitments, signed along with the Adapted CFE treaty in Istanbul in 1999, concern Russia's military presence on its southern flank.

The minister's comments came against the backdrop of a diplomatic scandal caused by the arrest of Russian officers in Tbilisi for allegedly spying. Relations between the countries have been tense in the last few years over Georgia's two separatist republics of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, where Russian peacekeeping forces have been stationed since the bloody conflicts of the early 1990s.

Ivanov also voiced Russia's worries over Georgia's active acquisition of weapons. "We are concerned over Georgia's policy of stepping up arms purchases."

On Thursday, he accused certain new members of NATO of supplying Georgia with weapons obtained earlier from the U.S.S.R., when they did not have the right to re-export them. He said conventional weapons laws were being violated.

"This is piracy," he added.

Former members of the communist-bloc in Europe -- Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia -- became NATO members in 2004.

Ivanov also thanked the secret services of some NATO member states for their assistance in the search for the terrorists responsible for executing Russian diplomats in Iraq.

One Russian Embassy employee was shot June 3 in an attack on a car in Baghdad. Four others were abducted and executed by an al-Qaeda linked group.

Ivanov said the situation in the Middle East country was far from being stable, despite the presence of multinational forces there since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein's regime.

"Russia is extremely concerned by the continuing efforts of extremist forces to plunge Iraq into the chaos of civil war," he said.

Ivanov called on NATO to step up its cooperation in countering terrorism and developing a single concept of joint measures in the field. "By this I mean finalizing the document on the role of the military in the fight against terrorism," he said.

Work on the document was ongoing since 2004 until being blocked by some NATO countries for unknown reasons.

Russia has bolstered a pilot project to train anti-terrorist police from Afghanistan and other Central Asian countries, and the minister said special courses for Afghan police will start in the Russian Interior Ministry soon.

Referring to the influx of terrorist organizations since the fall of the Taliban, Ivanov said: "There is no solution to the problem of Afghanistan through the use of force."

He said Russia was sure the country's problems could be solved through the diplomatic, political and economic involvement of the world community, taking into account Afghanistan's history and providing for an ethnically balanced representation in its government bodies.

Ivanov also offered Russia's assistance in the fight against drug trafficking.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; antiamericanaxis; belarus; china; coldwar2; communism; iraq; islamofascism; kazakhstan; kgb; kgbthugism; nato; putin; russia; soviets; sovietunion; terrorists; ussr
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Maybe if Russia could be bothered to live up to their own commitments under the CFE Treaty and pull their occupation forces from Abkhazia, South Ossetia, and Trans-Dniester, the last vestiges of Soviet aggression, then there wouldn't be any conflict at all.
1 posted on 09/29/2006 4:34:52 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"No solution to problem of Afghanistan through use of force." ^

Someone needs to tell the Taliban and al Qaeda about that.

Unlike dancing, in this arena it only takes one to tango.

2 posted on 09/29/2006 4:37:44 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Of course the solution involves the use of force!Kill all the hostiles and the problem is solved,works ever time(if you have the will to do it)


3 posted on 09/29/2006 4:38:24 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wasn't the former USSR more worried about NATO? LOL


4 posted on 09/29/2006 4:39:14 PM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: El Gato

Right.


5 posted on 09/29/2006 4:40:16 PM PDT by beyond the sea ( Chris Matthews Eats Sh*t ............................. lots and lots of Sh*t!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Russia always the paranoid bully. Yawn, nothing new here same old shyte differant decade.


6 posted on 09/29/2006 4:40:39 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I see, but Russia thinks there's a military solution in Chechnya and Georgia...more hypocrisy from looney tune Slavs.


7 posted on 09/29/2006 4:41:18 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
They invaded Afghanistan to turn them into another steaming socialist paradise and were repelled.

Looks like their problem is that they couldn't project force effectively in Afghanistan.
8 posted on 09/29/2006 4:46:41 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The Russkies will eat their words when they one day ask us for help in Chechnya.


9 posted on 09/29/2006 4:48:14 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"No solution to problem of Afghanistan through use of force"

Speak for yourself, Vlad.

10 posted on 09/29/2006 4:51:16 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
Russia/Soviet/coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added or removed from the list, please Freepmail me...

11 posted on 09/29/2006 4:55:33 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: George W. Bush

The Soviet invasion maybe was a big part of how this problem got out of hand in the first place.


12 posted on 09/29/2006 5:00:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Tbilisi Claims Russian Troop Movements

Come on, Vlad, tell us another one about the no military solutions part.

13 posted on 09/29/2006 8:37:38 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("We have always been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France"--Wellington)
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>Tailgunner Joe
... then there wouldn't be any conflict at all.

Really ? Last conflict was some time ago, and people doesn't forget Georgians artillery.

>MARKUSPRIME
Russia always the paranoid bully...

It's very difficult to not be paranoid when some countries
conduct irresponsibly and do not carry out the promises.

>PeterFinn
The Russkies will eat their words when they one day ask us for help in Chechnya.
U already help< but not us.
14 posted on 09/30/2006 2:18:19 AM PDT by Semargl
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To: El Gato
Someone needs to tell the Taliban and al Qaeda about that.

Dude, that's exactly who he was talking about. He's saying that the Taliban and Al Qaeda cannot effect change by force and for them to stop. Read the first part of that sentence again: "Referring to the influx of terrorist organizations since the fall of the Taliban ..."

15 posted on 09/30/2006 2:24:10 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Semargl

Hey look another russian putinista troll.


16 posted on 09/30/2006 5:36:05 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: El Gato

"There is no solution to the problem of Afghanistan through the use of force."

Man does this guy have a short term memory or what.

All Russia has ever known has been controlling people by force.

Not to mention what they just did in Cheynea(sorry bad speller).

Maybe if the Russia's played for the good team they wouldn't have to worry about Nato knocking on the door.

Stupid Russia can keep coddling up to Iran, Syria, and China. The new cold war is upon us.


17 posted on 09/30/2006 8:21:52 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: MARKUSPRIME
Hey look another russian putinista troll.

yeah but this one needs a translator.

18 posted on 09/30/2006 8:32:10 AM PDT by KOZ.
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To: Semargl
Last conflict was some time ago, and people doesn't forget Georgians artillery.

I mean no conflict between Russia and Georgia. Georgia and the Abkhazian racial supremacists will still be at odds, but what will this have to do with Russia? Doesn't Russia have its own civil war to fight?

Russia needs to finally keep its word for once by removing its troops from Georgian and Moldovan territories and abiding by the very treaty they hypocritically complain about the other side not following. Stop occupying Georgian land and there will be no conflict between Georgia and Russia. Continue your Neo-Soviet revanchist aggression and Russian will suffer the terrible consequences.

19 posted on 09/30/2006 4:38:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: FreedomCalls
Is that why Russia has demanded NATO's pullout from Afghanistan and successfully pressured for their expulsion from Uzbekistan? Ivanov means that NATO cannot win militarily and he wants them out. Russia is officially on the Taliban's side of this war now.
20 posted on 09/30/2006 4:42:08 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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