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Solar Flares Will Disrupt GPS In 2011
New Scientist ^ | 9-29-2006 | Jeff Hecht

Posted on 09/29/2006 2:38:15 PM PDT by blam

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To: KarlInOhio

To me it says WILL disrupt gps signals and Could be widespread.

Semantics I guess.


21 posted on 09/29/2006 3:08:59 PM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

IIRC, the Science channel had a show on where a solar flare cause total outtage in a huge section of Canada.


22 posted on 09/29/2006 3:11:23 PM PDT by processing please hold
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To: All; Rca2000
Hopefully by then, we will get some good 10 and 6 meter DX then. I know when there were huge solar flares back in the 1950's, there were reports of people picking up Cuban and Hawaiian TV in New York and so on.

I think GPS operates in the 1600 megacycle (Mc) range IIRC, I say it could be possible the Sun could affect signal propagation. I've heard that during World War II, some early radars were affected by the Sun and flars but in the beginning, the Allies thought the Axis was jamming them and vice versa.
23 posted on 09/29/2006 3:12:59 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Pansy: b. 8-19-1987 - d. 8-27-2006, I'll miss you, little princess.... B-()
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To: HEY4QDEMS
I think this is it.

http://www.ips.gov.au/Educational/1/3/12

24 posted on 09/29/2006 3:14:46 PM PDT by processing please hold
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To: blam
I just saw a show on the National Geographic channel that said the Earh's magnetic field is fading fast and we might not be alive by then anyway.
25 posted on 09/29/2006 3:19:17 PM PDT by snarkpup
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To: processing please hold
Solar flares are a scientific certainty.

Rain is also a certainty. But can weather forecasters with any reliability say in 2011 there will be major floods that will disrupt commerce, farming etc.? Of course not!

The Sun is far more complex that our earth weather. We know little of the solar cycle other than it exists. There is big debate if were are at the bottom of the cycle right now... or if it won't happen until the spring of 2007.

In 2000 we had a direct hit by an X5 solar flare (hugely bigness). I think that the GPS systems and everything else handled it just fine.

Cycle 24 looks like it will be strong but as far as I see it, no reason to serve fear burgers just yet.

26 posted on 09/29/2006 3:27:52 PM PDT by steveo (ADVERTISEMENT)
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To: blam

Boy, I can't wait until Al Gore tries to blame THIS one on either W or the Internal Combustion Engine!


27 posted on 09/29/2006 3:32:07 PM PDT by ssaftler ("The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" - Al "Chicken Little" Gore)
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To: Democrap

Yep, there ought to be some good DXing on the old shortwave.


28 posted on 09/29/2006 3:33:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: processing please hold
"IIRC, the Science channel had a show on where a solar flare cause total outtage in a huge section of Canada."

March 13, 1989. The entire electrical grid of Quebec was shut-down for nine hours.

29 posted on 09/29/2006 3:41:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I'll just have to use this:

(If I can remember where I put it.)

30 posted on 09/29/2006 3:43:12 PM PDT by Tinian
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To: snarkpup
"I just saw a show on the National Geographic channel that said the Earh's magnetic field is fading fast and we might not be alive by then anyway. "

Earth's Magnetic Pole Drifting Quickly

Dec 09 7:28 PM US/Eastern
By ALICIA CHANG
AP Science Writer

Earth's north magnetic pole is drifting away from North America and toward Siberia at such a clip that Alaska might lose its spectacular Northern Lights in the next 50 years, scientists said Thursday.

Despite accelerated movement over the past century, the possibility that Earth's modestly fading magnetic field will collapse is remote. But the shift could mean Alaska may no longer see the sky lights known as auroras, which might then be more visible in more southerly areas of Siberia and Europe.

The magnetic poles are part of the magnetic field generated by liquid iron in Earth's core and are different from the geographic poles, the surface points marking the axis of the planet's rotation.

Scientists have long known that magnetic poles migrate and in rare cases, swap places. Exactly why this happens is a mystery.

"This may be part of a normal oscillation and it will eventually migrate back toward Canada," Joseph Stoner, a paleomagnetist at Oregon State University, said Thursday at an American Geophysical Union meeting.

Previous studies have shown that the strength of the Earth's magnetic shield has decreased 10 percent over the past 150 years. During the same period, the north magnetic pole wandered about 685 miles out into the Arctic, according to a new analysis by Stoner.

The rate of the magnetic pole's movement has increased in the last century compared to fairly steady movement in the previous four centuries, the Oregon researchers said.

At the present rate, the north magnetic pole could swing out of northern Canada into Siberia. If that happens, Alaska could lose its Northern Lights, which occur when charged particles streaming away from the sun interact with different gases in Earth's atmosphere.

The north magnetic pole was first discovered in 1831 and when it was revisited in 1904, explorers found that the pole had moved 31 miles.

For centuries, navigators using compasses had to learn to deal with the difference between magnetic and geographic north. A compass needle points to the north magnetic pole, not the geographic North Pole. For example, a compass reading of north in Oregon is about 17 degrees east of geographic north.

In the study, Stoner examined the sediment record from several Arctic lakes. Since the sediments record the Earth's magnetic field at the time, scientists used carbon dating to track changes in the magnetic field.

They found that the north magnetic field shifted significantly in the last thousand years. It generally migrated between northern Canada and Siberia, but it sometimes moved in other directions, too.

31 posted on 09/29/2006 3:47:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: mtbopfuyn
"Don't go messing with my gps, it's hard enough sometimes to find caches without this".

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I have to "baby" my Garmin when I download Geo/Terracaches from my iMac as it is, and now this? Geezzz....


32 posted on 09/29/2006 3:51:07 PM PDT by austinmark ("May the Flea's of a Thousand Camels Nest in ALLAH's Pubic Hair" !!!)
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To: Tinian
I could use this if only I could remember where I put it.

Clockwork Computer

33 posted on 09/29/2006 3:51:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Solar flares are not something to be taken lightly.


34 posted on 09/29/2006 3:56:33 PM PDT by processing please hold
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To: blam; All
How small we really are:

That is a major flare, seen in the light of hydrogen-alpha.

35 posted on 09/29/2006 3:57:52 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: blam

Thanks President Bush... who else's fault could it be?


36 posted on 09/29/2006 4:00:15 PM PDT by Fury
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Loran beacons are still working and I assume they still will be in 2011.

I still use mine for trips out into the Gulf of Mexico.
People look at me like I have 3 heads when I tell them I still use Loran for navigation.
37 posted on 09/29/2006 4:00:47 PM PDT by WackySam ("There's room for all God's creatures- right next to the taters")
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Loran beacons are still working and I assume they still will be in 2011. They're ground based and are quite reliable to within a few meters. This will cause about as much havoc as Y2K did, aka not much at all.

LORAN is in the process of a rather impressive upgrade under the current proposal. Stunning accuracy for 100KHz signal. To contain massive data in the pulse "manipulations". All with land-based unmanned XMTR stations that won't be the expected 1st thing taken out in a heavy conflict, like most of the GPS birds will most certainly be. Portables stations can be reset in hours instead of years to put up a new sat. Not line of sight, 100KHz is. Cheap, reliable, accurate, rapid XMTR replenishment, backup nav.

I hope the USCG approves it or the DOD picks it up.

38 posted on 09/29/2006 4:05:21 PM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: blam

Didn't you place it next to your meteor?

39 posted on 09/29/2006 4:09:20 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Nowhere Man
we will get some good 10 and 6 meter DX then.

So you're one of those people??

40 posted on 09/29/2006 4:09:28 PM PDT by steveo (ADVERTISEMENT)
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