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When the pain of the inmate is more of a concern to a Judge than the pain of the victim and family left behind and the jury of the condemned peers' decision, what can you say?
1 posted on 09/29/2006 1:56:43 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Consciousness,painless,execution,judge fogel,california,death penalty


2 posted on 09/29/2006 1:57:27 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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I kinda hope he's fully aware as the needle goes in - and every step thereafter.


3 posted on 09/29/2006 1:59:48 PM PDT by Hoodlum91 (I've been rocked.)
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Aku Soku Zan


4 posted on 09/29/2006 2:00:36 PM PDT by Spacemonkey1023
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Well then. I'll volunteer to bash the murderer in the head with a sledge hammer so he feels no pain from the needles.


5 posted on 09/29/2006 2:04:37 PM PDT by OldFriend (Should we wait for them to come and kill us again? President Karzai 9/26/06)
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I have said it before I will say it again.

Overdose them whioth heroin and let them spnd heir last minutes on top of th world. I can guarantee there is no pain. I have seen too many overdoses get up and go out for more heroin when they wake up. Only these wouldnt wake up.


6 posted on 09/29/2006 2:08:09 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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Who Cares? The perp sure didn't!


7 posted on 09/29/2006 2:08:57 PM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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If it is neither cruel nor unusual, it's not punishment.


8 posted on 09/29/2006 2:09:37 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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If the guilty are shot in the court room before the verdict is read out loud, the guilty will never have to contemplate their demise.

This should ease the Judge's tortured conscious.

9 posted on 09/29/2006 2:10:02 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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Now if this pinhead "judge" can come up with the "key" to "painless" rapes and homicides we'll be getting somewhere.


10 posted on 09/29/2006 2:12:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can't defeat your enemy unless you are willing to get down in the mud with him.)
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There is no reason on earth why executions should be painless.

I loathe the ACLU with every fiber of my being.


11 posted on 09/29/2006 2:13:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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The most painless form of execution is the guillotine, although it is very messy.


12 posted on 09/29/2006 2:14:59 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 39-43)
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Here's one method to prove he is conscious.

Put a handkerchief around his eyes.
Bring him to stand against a wall.
Then shoot him.......


14 posted on 09/29/2006 2:16:02 PM PDT by El Oviedo
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If they really want the perp unconscious before they make the 2nd and 3rd injections, then a .45 to the brainpan ought to suffice.
16 posted on 09/29/2006 2:17:09 PM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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This is a red herring.

The condemed is ALWAYS CONCIOUS OF HIS STATUS ON DEATH ROW.

This reminds me of a Scifi story that was in the old OMNI magazine.

The defendant had to wait in an apartment during jury deliberations. If if the jury found him guilty "something" in the apartment would kill him. (Poison in the water, poison oderless gas, etc.) In the end it was a electricuting door knob after a false sign flashed a "not guilty" verdict. It was more humane.


17 posted on 09/29/2006 2:23:26 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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I've never been one to hijack a thread, and am not even sure this is doing so, BUT...

perhaps the judge can recommend a pair of scissors jammed at the base of the skull for those killers condemned to die? After all, that is already an accepted form of execution, and we are told: painless!


19 posted on 09/29/2006 2:24:11 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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So, whack him in the back of the head with a sledgehammer when he is not expecting it. Appropriate execution and lack of conciousness in one fell swoop.


22 posted on 09/29/2006 2:35:16 PM PDT by LexBaird (Another member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/NWO/Illuminati conspiracy for global domination!)
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If this idiot is talking about full anesthesia then we have a problem. I'm in medicine, allow me to explain.

A fully anesthetized patient is more likely than not to aspirate if he has had a meal anywhere from 4 to 6 hours prior to the "procedure". Upon aspiration of the vomitus from the stomach he would drown in his own vomit. This is fine with me but this bleeding heart judge would have a hissy fit if that happened. Now, considering that the condemned has a last meal before execution this is highly likely.

Next, we have to fix the aspiration problem. Do we, a) deny the scumbag his last meal (cruel and unusual punishment)or, b) proceed with the execution a good 6 hours after the last meal, or maybe 8 hours, just to be "safe".

Consider that he may aspirate under the anesthesia anyway. Should we stop and resuscitate him and then proceed with the execution. I'm sure this dirtbag judge would say yes.

At what point, and who decides that point, painless wise, do we get to hammer in the KCL and stop this mad dog's heart.

I've always been in favor of eliminating all the other drugs and just hammering in the KCL (Potassium Chloride) in about one hundred times the lethal dose bolus fashion. Of course there will be a huge convulsion and plenty of urine and feces to clean up, and oh yes, there will be tremendous pain, but it won't last 5 seconds. Dirtnap for the dirtbag with a little painful justice to go along, but only 5 seconds. Works for me!

23 posted on 09/29/2006 2:45:29 PM PDT by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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I think they should go out screaming in terror. That's something they could appreciate.


28 posted on 09/29/2006 3:26:14 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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What have we come to if a federal judge is worried that execution is cruel or inhumane? The answer is obviously yes.

That is the point of a lethal execution. It is, by definition, inhumane. By reasoned purpose, it ends the humanity of the subject. By any form of logic, state ordered, lethal execution of a living human being is cruel. By reasoned judgment, that cruelty is justified by the circumstances of the finding.

No government system designed to intercede into individual actions is perfect. People will be wrongly executed. It is the responsibility of the society to weigh the risks against the benefits when deciding the appropriateness of the remedy. The personal circumstances of the process are not part of that equation.

The 400 pound, moral gorilla that no one wants to talk about is the obvious economies of a prompt execution of sentences decided by prudent people and carried out in compliance with the codified traditions of a majority of that society. Decisions that linger, like fresh food, become offensive and unpalatable with age.

It is the goal of the liberal to delay those decisions until even a prudent man realizes that the delays have rendered the object of the decision, individual and community deterrence, worthless. If a death warrant was determined to be justified by reasoned judgment after fair presentation and review, the sentence needs to be executed quickly. Within hours, not decades.

29 posted on 09/29/2006 3:39:57 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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I would presribe a Glaser Blue (.44 Mag), administered to the back of the head, from no more than a few feet away.

It's supersonic, so the perp would never hear it coming, and unconsciousness should occur in well under 1 millisecond, after the back of the skull is contacted. There might not even be an exit wound (probably some blood would come out the eyes and ears, though).

http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/glaser/glaser.htm

32 posted on 09/29/2006 4:06:50 PM PDT by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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