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Rep. Mark Foley drops out of race [Fox: also resigned]

Posted on 09/29/2006 12:01:58 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe

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To: Torie
Foley's own Bill made cybersex a crime. The whole "affair" has a certain Shakespearian quality about it.

Isn't that weird? There is justice in the world and irony makes it moreso. Like "Measure for Measure." Foley couldn't say that he didn't know cybersex WAS a crime, that's for sure.

921 posted on 09/29/2006 8:53:20 PM PDT by madison10
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To: vox_freedom
I would just like to know what the GOP leadership knew about this situation and when they knew it. Was it six months ago? A year ago? When?

Damn good question.

The GOP House Whip was just on television saying he wished Foley "the very best." No expression of dismay or outrage or concern for the young innocents who may have been molested..

Yeah, who do they REALLY care about? It's a cushy little insider club. Recall that earlier this year, when the Feds raided the office of the corrupt Dem LA rep, Dennis Hastert ran to his defense? Shame on them..

922 posted on 09/29/2006 9:00:48 PM PDT by detroitdarien
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To: RightOnline
You still don't get it. You are suggesting that homosexuality shouldn't preclude one from such a high office because we don't vote for them to "be like us".

I didn't say that. What I SAID, REPEATEDLY, is that the fact that most people are not gay does not mean that he can't represent them.

If you want to argue that homosexuality shows an exceptionally warped frame of mind, and thus, they should not be elected to congress, then we have an actual discussion.

I tend to disagree on a whole, but I am not completely unsympathetic to that point, (I don't think people that flaunt their sexuality and use their office as a platform to advance their own lifestyle, should serve if office) and it's a reasonable point.

But arguing that gay people shouldn't be elected simply because most of their constituents aren't gay is stupid. There may be reasons not to elect gay people, that isn't one of them.

Well pal, that's EXACTLY why this country is now well and truly f**ked up. Of COURSE we should be electing people who feel and believe as we, the overWHELMING majority of their constituents, believe.

Umm, that has what to do with what I said?

If you want to say that the overwhelming majority of people think that gay people shouldn't be elected to congress, you're flat out wrong. Perhaps they are wrong, but they don't believe that.

Most don't favor gay marriage, but that doesn't mean that they think they should automatically be written off for high office.

Don't even attempt your absurd "moral/sexual equivalency" argument of homosexuality vs. heterosexual couples' sexual escapades.

I'll attempt whatever I please. However, I didn't do that. AGAIN, you fail to understand: there is a difference between saying something should disqualify someone from serving in office because of what it is, and saying something should disqualify someone for office because most of their constituents don't share the same tastes.

To deny that gays in this country have become militant, have outright taken over Hollywood and large portions of the entertainment industry directly catering to our kids, that they have managed to convince the weak-minded and rudderless (you know........people like you) that "gee golly it's all ok; we're swell and normal and you should like us and BE like us or be labeled a homophobe"...is either a sick joke or an indication of just how asleep you have been the last 20 years.

I don't deny that a certain section of the gay population is 'militant', nor do I deny that many of them hold goals and have ideas that are not my own.

But hate-filled rants like this don't hurt them and make you a lesser person.

Homosexuals haven't taken over Hollywood any more then Jews have taken over the Banking Industry. Sure, there is a higher percentage of gays in Hollywood then in the general population, but that doesn't mean they've 'taken over' anything. Same for Jews in banking, or Hollywood, or whatever other industry they are accused of taking over.

I'm going to stop now. You're just flat out pissing me off.

I'll consider this a complement.

923 posted on 09/29/2006 9:00:51 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: vox_freedom

What the hell is he suppose to do? Wish him the worst? Maybe if he were found guilty of something, I might even agree if he were indicted.

But just because he resigned, you think that he should accept every accusation as truth and wish him a long time in the slammer?

Rediculous. I think the allegations ARE true, but nobody knows for sure yet, and he shouldn't assume otherwise. He did the absolutely proper thing for the situation and I complement him on it.


924 posted on 09/29/2006 9:03:14 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Torie

It would be nice if Jeb was designated the nominee. He could hold the seat for the Republicans, and he only has about 5 more weeks in office. I think he would do a great job in the House too.


925 posted on 09/29/2006 9:04:39 PM PDT by Humal
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To: Dengar01

It may be that they are so driven for the "thrill" that they will risk everything. That's why people like that should not be in responsible positions. They are inherently reckless. There may be some, not Foley it would seem, who have a will of iron that can control their fantasies. It has long been known that Foley was "unconventional" for lack of a better term. But voters kept him in office. There is no telling what is behind all of this, but if he were Democrat he could have stayed put.


926 posted on 09/29/2006 9:07:34 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: madison10
>>I wouldn't call 16-year-olds "young innocents."

You are right, some young ones have already been corrupted by this world and the evils that lurk in it.

That said, I'm sure you wouldn't condone (sexual) communication for immoral purposes with a minor (e.g. a 16 YO) now would you? And NO I'm not assuming anything (physical contact) about this case except the moral corruption that is obvious. The law doesn't distinguish whether it happens on the phone, in person or via cyberspace. The real issue is whether it is believed to be wrong. It is, and evil, and despicable.

927 posted on 09/29/2006 9:08:54 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: Torie
Foley's own Bill made cybersex a crime.

Which bill is that? The only federal law I've found on the books loosely about cybersex is USC 18 § 2425:

Use of interstate facilities to transmit information about a minor

Whoever, using the mail or any facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, knowingly initiates the transmission of the name, address, telephone number, social security number, or electronic mail address of another individual, knowing that such other individual has not attained the age of 16 years, with the intent to entice, encourage, offer, or solicit any person to engage in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

The pages were supposedly 16 or older.

The rest of the federal laws on the subject that I've found do apply to those under the age of 18, but generally require crossing state lines with the intent of actually having sex with a minor, which so far, the former Congressman hasn't been accused of doing (but I wouldn't be surprised if he did).
928 posted on 09/29/2006 9:09:33 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

OK, nonsuit it is. Foley only hit on those 16 years or older. He obviously knows his own statute better than I do.


929 posted on 09/29/2006 9:11:49 PM PDT by Torie
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To: b4its2late

In 1980, a MD Republican named "Bauman" (not sure of spelling) did something very similar to this. He resigned and did later turn Democrat but no longer in politics.


930 posted on 09/29/2006 9:12:33 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: zbigreddogz

If you think peverts like Rep. Foley who have already accepted culpabilty (by his resignation) from the US Congress should be "wished well" without being castigated and ridiculed then "buzz off." He is a scum bag for having immoral communications with an under age boy. Got it? If you don't think there is anything wrong with what he did, you are no better than him.


931 posted on 09/29/2006 9:12:39 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: vox_freedom
I would just like to know what the GOP leadership knew about this situation and when they knew it.

According to Nightline, they've know for quite a while; they had a guy on who use to be a page and he said that when they first came in to training, they were WARNED about Foley.

This is going to be ugly.

932 posted on 09/29/2006 9:13:38 PM PDT by Howlin (Declassify the Joe Wilson "Report!")
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To: Howlin

How can anyone in politics be this stupid?


933 posted on 09/29/2006 9:15:28 PM PDT by woofie
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To: vox_freedom
He is a scum bag for having immoral communications with an under age boy. Got it?

You don't know that. That is what he is 'accused' of. If he's guilty, of course, he should be condemned, and I suspect he is guilty, and if that proves to be true, people should make their thoughts on it known, Majority Whip Blunt included.

But until it is proven, i.e: until he confesses, is found guilty, or at the very least, a lot more is known then is currently known, it would be totally out of line for Blunt to assume he's guilty and condemn him.

934 posted on 09/29/2006 9:16:45 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Howlin
This is going to be ugly.

Then it should be. Just like in the Catholic abuse scandals, let the light of truth be known in these cases and let the chips fall where they may. We cannot tolerate a "Clinton morality standard" at the highest levels of our government.

The ethical and moral corruption in this case may cause a lot of folks to realize that higher standards are needed, including in the Republican party.

935 posted on 09/29/2006 9:19:10 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: woofie
How can anyone in politics be this stupid?

And therein resides the most important issue.

936 posted on 09/29/2006 9:19:17 PM PDT by berkeleybeej
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To: vox_freedom

Resignation does not equal accepting culpability. When he pleads guilty to criminal charges (if they're ever made) or when he comes out and admits that he did these things, then that's accepting culpability.

And if you think dog was saying there was nothing wrong with what he did, then you missed his point entirely. His point wasn't that sexual communication with a minor isn't bad. His point was that he wasn't convinced yet that all of these allegations are true.


937 posted on 09/29/2006 9:20:56 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: zbigreddogz

OK pal, you be his apologist. And prepare to live with the results of your viewpoints. Maybe you should read the texts of his five (so-far) emails. Tell me he isn't a pevert. Get lost.


938 posted on 09/29/2006 9:21:27 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Matthew 5:37 But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no)
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To: Torie
Well, there may be another law, federal or state that I'm missing. The age of consent in Florida is 18, with a close-in exception for 16 year-olds, but only if their partner is under 24. The age of consent in D.C. is 16. And there probably ought to be a federal law, even if there isn't one currently.

In any event, Foley should have resigned and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Republicans ought not to tolerate this crap. The Democrats usually don't care - it's just about sex, after all. It is a travesty that Democrats let Congressman Gerry Studds (D-MA) remain in office and reelected him despite actually having sex with a 17 year old male page - he showed absolutely no remorse for his actions.
939 posted on 09/29/2006 9:25:09 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Howlin
"and he said that when they first came in to training,"

When was that?

Ugh, this all just makes me sick.

940 posted on 09/29/2006 9:26:11 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter ("And you got that little smirk on your face, and you think you're so clever!")
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