Posted on 09/29/2006 12:01:58 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe
Just breaking on CNN
READ THE STORY IN THE WASHINGTON POST TONIGHT!!!!
You're defending a PEDOPHILE.
After Hastert's temper tantrum over Jefferson I can't dig deep enough to try to rationalize this one away for him. If he knew this was going on he too should, at the very least, step down as speaker.
Unfortunately, I agree.
And if the WashPost story is true, a hell of a lot of them knew.
The homosexuals are running because this scandal once again exposes homosexuals as recruting the underaged for sex.
He's probably a CINO(so am I but I don't do stupid sh-t like this).
"We track library books better than we do sexual predators."Mark Foley
I think it would be a safe bet he's talked like that alot online. I read the IMs posted elsewhere. He was talking freely like we're talking here. The bit about the boy having to interrupt the dirty talk because his mother was calling him just adds to the creepiness.
If the first e-mail (the one we were talking about last night) was all they knew about, it's creepy but not so creepy that you might force someone to resign.
But if the behavior was bad enough that pages were warned, that indicates something more that was known.
If a warning was given to all pages, what's the chance that there weren't also a boatload of dems who knew too?
If the dems don't make their members resign, do we make ours?
Where is a link to the WP article?
"According to Nightline, they've know for quite a while; they had a guy on who use to be a page and he said that when they first came in to training, they were WARNED about Foley."
Did you see the above? Sounds like the suits in DC are covering for their own insider club. Peons have to follow the rules, they just scratch each others' backs. Obviously not all, but enough so that DC is really stinking right now. If it turns out that Republican Congressmen knew about Foley's penchant for teenage boys and did nothing except "warn" pages about him, they should all quit tomorrow.
Hopefully kristinn is correct and Foley was "an unusually good liar" who fooled the brass.
You know, Howlin, your bully tactics might work on others here, but they don't work on me. You shouldn't have to resort to name-calling if your argument is strong.
You have no proof that other Republicans knew about this and kept quiet about it except the word of a page.
And I have not been consistently wrong about anything, because the same facts exist now as they did earlier. He had already resigned before I jumped in on this thread.
Yes, I saw the above and if you had read my responses you would know that.
Yes, what was foley asking questions about masturbation, but why was the kid not telling him to get lost and that he'll report him. How recent is this IM? This wasn't some adult trying to bust him, was it?
I'm reminded of Anita Hill, she accused Thomas of sexual harrassment, yet followed him to another job, that I couldn't understand. Had it been me, I would have been saying, good riddance, not following the guy around.
You have no proof that other Republicans knew about this and kept quiet about it except the word of a page.
I have the words out of tonight's Washington Post; it's not MY fault you're behind on this story.
Evidently ignorance IS bliss for you.
Ed Schrock was closeted too but he hired escorts. If he wasn't so amazingly stupid as to leave solicitous voice mails he'd still be in the House, and the GOP would be one seat safer. In our society pedophilia is almost always a phenomenon of sexual and emotional inadequacy. What precisely went awry in Foley's psychology to make him that way is impossible to guess with the minimal case history on hand, but mere 'closetedness' is hardly sufficient to explain his behavior.
There are millions and millions of closeted homosexuals who would never behave like this. One might argue that it contributed, in the sense that if Foley had been 'out' he may've resolved whatever his issues, but his self-repression alone is certainly not enough. And, let's not confuse homosexuality and pedophilia. They are two starkly distinct phenomena. There's at least a decent possibility that Foley is a full-blown pedophile, in the sense that adult men may not interest him at all, in which case that is explanation enough for why he didn't just hit the gay bars or whatever.
We don't know that only one page has said that. The e-mails and IM's were to different people. What kristinn posted above shows that Hastert, Alexander and some GOP campaign guy knew something was up.
Your loyalty is to be commended, but I believe you are being willfully blind.
Oh for God's sake. He knew the kid! Look, I don't care if it was Barney Frank on the other side of the screen, Foley BELIEVED he was talking to a teenaged BOY. Hell if he has any decency or shame he would take the honorable way out.
Nation
Posted on Fri, Sep. 29,
Gays comment on Foley resignation
BY STEVE ROTHAUS
''He was a homophobe who needed to be exposed,'' said journalist Michael Rogers, whose website, http://www.blogactive.com/, reported on Rep. Mark Foley of West Palm Beach for three years.
''I first started to report on Foley in March 2003,'' said Rogers, who is gay. 'The reason why -- he's antigay. He voted for the Defense of Marriage Act and has not renounced that vote. He refused to acknowledge that he supported the repeal of `don't ask, don't tell.' He would not sign on as a co-sponsor. He should be held accountable for not supporting that or co-sponsoring.
``No community is expected to harbor their own enemies from within. He is an enemy of our community, yet he wants to step into our community and put us at risk. He puts every one of us in a bad light.''
During his 2003 run for U.S. Senate, The Advocate outed Foley, who has not publicly said that he is gay. On May 23, 2003, Foley called a news conference and said that the innuendo about his life was ''revolting and and unforgivable'' and that he would not discuss his sexual orientation.
''Elected officials, even those who run for the United States Senate, must have some level of privacy,'' Foley said during a half-hour conference call with newspaper reporters from across Florida. ``My mother and father raised me and the rest of my family to believe that there are certain things we shouldn't discuss in public. Some of you may believe that it's old-fashioned, but I believe those are good ideals to live by.''
Rogers said Foley's problems come from being in the closet.
''I do believe that he had unhealthy sexual advances to these guys because he was living his life as a closeted gay man,'' Rogers said. ``Healthy gay men who are mature and dealing with their sexuality in a mature way don't hit on kids who are 16 years old. What's his signature issue? You don't know whether to laugh or cry.''
Finance writer Andrew Tobias of Miami, who is gay and treasurer of the Democratic National Committee said:
``As somebody who has met Mark Foley personally and has mutual friends, I am sad for Mark and I hope he doesn't go to jail. The last time I saw Mark, he was 19 years into a relationship. That was sad that it had to be hidden.
``I hope the Republican Party continues to evolve so it's not so difficult to be an openly gay Republican.
``Will this play into the fears that all gay people are pedophiles? I hope not. There are heterosexual situations as well. Everybody decries this kind of situation. Even Mark Foley did, but he couldn't control it.''
Other gay activists were more circumspect.
''It's a tragedy for him and his family. I don't want to get into the pain of the closet. It's irrelevant if he's gay or not,'' said Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.
Luis Vizcaiño, communications and marketing director for Human Rights Campaign, declined to discuss Foley's resignation. ''We're not going to comment on it,'' he said.
In 2005, HRC gave Foley an 88 out of 100 score on gay issues, making him one of the highest-ranked Republicans in Congress.
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