"How I Joined The Rotten Core Of American Extremists..." (Ralph Peters Wrong On Islam Alert)

Don Feder.com ^ | 09/27/06 | Don Feder

[goldstategop]

Ralph Peters may be knowlegeable on military matters but he's wrong on Islam. Those of us who stand accused of Islamphobia have justified reasons to detest and fear Islam. 1) Its an evil and inhuman cult; 2) It wages jihad and 3) It persecutes and kills non-Muslims (those it hasn't reduced to a second-class condition known as dhimmitude) wherever it has advanced. All of these things are part and parcel of the Islamic raison d'etre and have been for 1400 years. Just look at the Muslim response to the Pope's quote of a statement from a medieval Eastern Roman Emperor. The character of Islam has not changed since the 7th Century. It is backward and steeped in unbridled fanaticism and is obscurantist towards the advances of the human race. And Ralph Peters thinks there are "moderate" Muslims? There are a few brave souls to be sure, but they are practically invisible. No public voice in the Islamic World is on record as demanding the end of jihad, the equal treatment of non-Muslims and embracing the light of reason. We American Islam haters stand guilty of exposing Islam's savage record. Perhaps Islam will reform one day but if does it will no longer be Islam.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[SDGOP]

Didn't rush interview this guy for his magazine a few months back?

[John Carey]

Actually, it sounds like Ralph Peters has it about right, as he usually does!

John Carey
Fellow Columnist
http://peace-and-freedom.blogspot.com/

[fieldmarshaldj]

Anything with the "-phobia" modifier indicates an "irrational fear of." Where the evil POLITICAL cult of Islam is concerned, we need not say we suffer from a "phobia" any more than those of whom abhor Naziism, its ideological half-brother. There should be worldwide condemnation of any ideology that is, at its core, anti-life and anti-humanity. Islamofascists are, properly identified, nothing but Humanophobes.

[goldstategop]

Can Peters cite one moderate mainstream Muslim who has denounced anti-semitism? Fanaticism and violence? The few who do are either secularized Muslims or ex-Muslims living in the safety of the West.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[goldstategop]

My thoughts exactly. Our fear of Islam is anything but irrational. It is made concrete by the practice of those who claim Islam as their faith. Which is hardly benevolent, humane or merciful towards non-Muslims. Just ask the 3,000 who were murdered in the name of Islam on 9/11 if they deserved their fate.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[fieldmarshaldj]

This cartoon sums it up perfectly.

[goldstategop]

If the moderates Peters is looking for where there - he would be able to cite them. And so would the Drive By Media and the Democrats. They can't produce one mainstream Muslim who is willing to denounce jihad, grant non-Muslims equal rights and accept reason over force in settling differences within as well outside their societies. That ought to be the true definition of a moderate Muslim. Quite clearly, they don't exist or we would be hearing from them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[fieldmarshaldj]

...and whomever would choose to speak out would immediately be dubbed a traitor/infidel and a fatwa would be issued. C'est la vie for an evil political cult.

[Steel and Fire and Stone]

Bush, Peters, and other well meaning conservatives feel it's un-American to consider any religion as "beyond the bounds". Freedom to choose and hold one's personal religious faith is as old an American value as Plymouth Rock and the Pilgrims. There's nothing more medieval than declaring an entire religious faith to be a threat and abomination to our American way of life.

All that taken into account, these folks are very, very wrong about what Islam represents. Islam represents mandatory submission to faith by the sword. Islam itself is the antithesis of every American value on freedom of religion. Islam is the anti-freedom faith. Islam is pure evil, though Muslims individually and as a group can be very nice people.

The problem is the trust issue. It's very unlikely that a local Baptist, Lutheran, or fundamentalist Christian kid will grab a sword or gun and go on a killing spree in the name of Christ (even if they should be vehemently pro-life). However, any Muslim kid who takes his Quran seriously, or worships earnestly at his local Mosque, would likely take up his Jihad for Allah, and become a threat to his non-Muslim neighbors.

Islam is the enemy; Muslims are Islam's foot soldiers. An extraordinary number of Muslims will have to die before the Islamic world will reevaluate Jihad and the faith. There's very little that the U.S. institutionally can do to dissuade thise religious zealots, for whom the penalty is death if they should decline their Jihad and abandon Allah. And of course, some of these "radical" Muslims see real opportunity for power and riches on earth if they realize their goal of a worldwide caliphate.

As unfortunate as it may be, if these Muslims do not die, many Americans and other non-Muslims certainly will. The only way to win this war is to break the Shiite and Sunni Wahhabi interpretation of Islamic faith. We must inflict massive pain on persons and targets of value to Muslims. We have no alternative but to test their oft stated premise that they prefer death over life. There will be no "Martin Luther's" in Islam based on the current Quran, unless he's wielding a sword, killing non-Muslims, and raping non-Muslim women into submission.

SFS

[jocon307]

I read that Ralph Peter's column. Truly it was "pollyannaish". Sure, the vast majority of Muslim's aren't bloodthirsty Jihadis, but that's about as important as the fact that most Germans weren't bloodthirsty Nazis. The current mind set of world Islam is a choice between either slavish obedience to oppression and brutality or murderous rage. We'd better all expect it to get a lot worse before it gets better.

[panthermom]

I don't buy it. Why then haven't the Muslims in this country spoken out? Here, where they would have the support of the rest of the nation. They could be the driving force for the moderates around the world but they don't say anything.

[LZ_Bayonet]

Imam Hassan Qazwini, spiritual leader of the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, yesterday:

""It's easy to see that it is extremely crucial for religious leaders on both side(s) to continue their efforts in reaching out to each other to mend relations.

These fringe groups do not represent the faith or the genuine teachings of the prophet Muhammad."

[Edit35]

And Ralph Peters thinks there are "moderate" Muslims.

The only 'moderate' Muslims in the USA are those too intimidated (Thank God) by our laws and police to join the jihad.

If they thought for a minute that American society would accept their monstrous ideology, they would join fellow Islamo-fanatics with all four feet.

[Edit35]

...some of these "radical" Muslims see real opportunity for power and riches on earth if they realize their goal of a worldwide caliphate.

I wouldn't characterize any vision of a Muslim as "real" opportunity.

After all, there are scant (if any) devout Muslim countries which have created a society of "riches" and technological advance without the help of the US or the Brits.

Pure Islam never leads to riches or the technological betterment of society.

The only thing holding up the crazy Muslim countries now is the billions of $$ in oil money going their way.

[CyberAnt]

Rush interviewed him for last month .. and I don't see any relation to this screed and the real Ralph Peters.

I don't know where they're getting their information, but Peters didn't say any of these things in his interview with Rush.

[Steel and Fire and Stone]

I wouldn't characterize any vision of a Muslim as "real" opportunity.

Muslims blame their failures on the West. Their perpetual sense of victim-hood and perceived right to rule drives their religious fervor. Muslims collectively are "nobodies"; Allah makes them somebody, tells them who to kill to avenge their hopeless status, and promises them title to our lands, property, and as concubines and slaves, our women and children as their just reward.

SFS

[Steel and Fire and Stone]

I read Peters' columns regularly. I agree with his perspectives frequently. I also disagree significantly with some of his ideas on occasion. Peters is a secularist who in past writings, has tried to put all religions into the "faith" box. I don't have quotes, but my impression is that he sees religion as an opiate for the masses, permissible, even something to be encouraged, but in the end, all religions mean about the same thing.

He demonstrates ignorance of religions, and religious differences. He ignores significant context in his evaluation.

As an example, as a person with a Christian world view who is convinced by historical evidence of Biblical truth, and from that the truth of Christ, His Gospel, heaven and hell, and right and wrong, I can identify with the Muslim "extremist" who kills for Allah and sends Muslim kids out to die for Allah in attempts to kill innocents. I understand their faith and their conviction, even it they are wholly deceived and too ignorant to understand that they have been deceived. Their ideal of God is a lie, and their understanding of "God's Will" is Satanic. However, I understand a faith that's worth dying for, which gives me an clear understanding of the seriousness of the threat of Islam. Peters lacks this understanding, which is why he misunderstands Islam.

As we used to say in the Navy, "This is not a drill". Islam is a real threat, and will be a persistent threat, until they suffer sufficiently crushing defeats and enough Muslims die to convince them that they may have misinterpreted Allah's will. The Muslims have spoken in one voice, and claim that they prefer death to life, that there is nothing they might lose that could dissuade them in pursuit of Jihad. However, that is an Islamic lie; everyone has something they value and cannot tolerate losing. The West needs to apply the appropriate amount of "pain" to the appropriate targets that Muslims do value, to end their war. They need to conclude that "perhaps Allah intends Muslims to just leave the 'dhimmitude' alone". Until Islam speaks that message with one voice, our lives are in constant peril; all the Muslims need are the modern weapons and the means of conveyance.

SFS

[cwb]

"Muslims blame their failures on the West. Their perpetual sense of victim-hood and perceived right to rule drives their religious fervor."

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And one of the greatest ironies in this belief is that America was one of the few countries following WWII that argued for Arab independence from what was decades old colonialization from Europe. In fact, part of the Atlantic Charter was the basis from which many of these nations were to be granted soverignty to form their own governments.

One of the greatest hypocrisies from the Left...especially those in Europe who blame America for all the problems in the ME, is the role they played as architects for so much of the reorganization of the ME. From the League of Nations and governing mandates to the United Nations and partition plans, to Balfour and San Remo, Europe took the lead.

But even accepting this, Muslims have no one to blame but themselves for these problems. Prior to WWI the Ottoman Empire was already crumbling from internal strife and tribal warfare. These were people who were engaging in some of the worst holocausts against indigenous people outside of that which occurred in Germany during WWII. From the Christian Assyrians to the Armenians to the Greeks, Slavs and Jews, Muslims had been ethnically cleansing Asia Minor of non-Muslims for centuries.

As this threat encroached further into the "soft underbelly of Europe," the victors of WWI decided it was finally time to put a stop to this 2nd Jihad, which had not only killed millions of people, but was continuing to threaten Europe...again. And I say again because this has been a theme with Islam as they have continually threatened Europe over the centuries.
From their adventures into Spain and S. France from as early as 732AD...to their attempts at Vienna as late as 1683.

Yes, Muslims can bitch and moan, and play the perpetual victim of so-called European colonization...and Leftists can defend them and help make excuses for their hatred and anger; but it was Islam who invited this reaction by their own aggressions that went unchecked for centuries. It wasn't long after the death of Mohammad (632AD) that the first Caliphates stated as their goal "to conquer the world in the name of Islam." As a result, this was a religion, that within its first 100+ years, conquered more land and people than the Romans did in their storied history.  

At its peak (16th Century) the Ottoman Empire had conquered all of Asia Minor, the Mid-East, North Africa, the Balkan Peninsula and parts of Russia.
Sadly, Muslims, like their liberal brethren, seem to have a short historical memory when it comes to Muslim aggression and retribution. From the multiple seiges of Byzantine (670, 717-718) to the eventual sacking in 1453, Islam has been an expansionist regime.

While WWI and its aftermath may have brought a temporary cessation to some of this Muslim aggression, it was only 30 years later that many Muslims were siding with Hitler and the Axis Powers. The same Anti-Semitism that is prevelant today, was rampant back than as Muslims joined with Hitler to form their own Muslim brigades to exterminate Jews, Gypsys, Slavs, etc...especially within the Balkans.

What is going on today is no different than what has been going on for centuries with Islam. While the Cold War may have deflected some of our attentions, this threat has always been there for anyone willing to look at this history...the same history which clearly shows Muslims as aggressors and not victims.