Posted on 09/28/2006 8:54:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1709588/posts?page=1
House passes detainee bill
Republicans pushed a bill supported by President George W. Bush to set rules for interrogating and trying terrorism suspects through the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday and Senate Republicans were expected to follow within a day.
The House passed the bill 253-168 largely along party lines, dismissing warnings from Democrats that courts would strike down the plan for failing to meet judicial standards.
Republicans who control both chambers want to send the bill to Bush by the weekend, when lawmakers head out to campaign for November elections that will determine control of Congress.
The bill sets up procedures to try foreign terrorism suspects at the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The Supreme Court struck down Bush's original plan, saying it violated U.S. and international standards.
As Senate debate on the bill got under way, Republicans defeated an attempt to pass an alternative that Democrats said would meet Supreme Court standards and help restore America's image, damaged by harsh treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay and abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
The Senate was expected to pass the bill on Thursday, after considering several other amendments.
Republicans, seeking to polish their terrorism-fighting credentials in the final days of their campaigns, depicted the new rules as tough but fair.
"By formally establishing terrorist tribunals, the bill provides a critical tool in fighting the war on terror and it provides a measure of justice to the victims of 9/11," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican.
House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, a California Republican, said the bill provides "basic fairness in our prosecutions but we also preserve the ability of our war fighters to operate effectively on the battlefield."
But Human rights groups and many Democrats said the deal gave Bush too much latitude to allow harsh interrogations and to deprive detainees of legal rights.
Rep. Ellen Tauscher, a California Democrat, said agreeing to "such an ambiguous compromise would allow the president to define torture when and how he sees fit."
Rep. Louise Slaughter, a New York Democrat, said the bill sends a signal that "America's leaders are willing to abandon our values ... in favor of thuggish tactics they hope might make them safer for a little while."
Democrats also predicted the courts would find the bill unconstitutional because it deprived detainees held without charges of the right to file legal challenges to their imprisonment.
Under a compromise worked out last week, the CIA will be able to continue aggressive interrogations, but supporters of the bill said agency interrogators would comply with the Geneva Conventions' requirement for humane treatment.
The bill also expands the definition of "enemy combatants," who can be held indefinitely without charges, to include those who knowingly support terrorist groups with arms, money and other activities.
Backers of the bill said that provision would choke off supplies to terrorist groups, but critics said it was too broad and could subject many more people to indefinite detention.
General Honore for VP!
wow 164 Dems?
Cubicle bound
Article Rushbo referred to
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/27/ap/politics/mainD8KDEI682.shtml
Experts: Public Anger Can Be Refreshing
Some experts say, under the right circumstances, public anger can be refreshing
"It's more important than ever to cut through the clutter," says Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, senior associate dean at Yale's School of Management. "All of us are so over-managed these days. Public figures have platoons of protectors. It's more important than ever to show authentic, real emotion."
Sonnenfeld believes Clinton's anger was genuine, and yet intentionally uncensored. And he says Clinton has told him personally in the past _ he counts himself as one of the former president's many acquaintances _ "that when your critics are wrong, fire back on all cylinders. Take it on with full force and don't let up."
BJ Clinton is an example of "Luke" at the terrible two's.
Goebbel's school of Reporting - keep repeating it....
Or at least Press Secretary!
Don't be so modest. You're fast becoming one of the voices on Free Republic that I look to for words of wisdom on many topics.
Hey there!
MUAH!
Unfortunately, for a lot of sheeple, it works.
Nah, I do occasionally call Tim Brady on WAJR, FM. He (Tim) is supposed to stop by my place on his way back from the Forest Festival in Elkins next week.
Check yer e-mail....
Hey cuz! That would work for me!
WOOOHOO!!!
awesome link!
thanks!
Then you got a big problem!!! All I've got is a million dollars worth of worthless information. :)
http://www.opinionjournal.com/la/?id=110009005
Today it was Mozart. Tomorrow perhaps it will be Shakespeare. Or Dante, who after all has a pretty hot place reserved for Muhammad in "The Divine Comedy." It is not--not yet--too late to put a stop to our habit of appeasing a murderous fanaticism that demands privileges and indulgences it refuses to grant to others.
The spectacle of Deutsche Oper's decision to cancel "Idomeneo" suggests that the West's dealings with Islam have entered a new phase. Yesterday, we waited until after the Muslims took to the streets before capitulating; today, it appears we have moved on to pre-emptive capitulation.
Where will it end? I suppose that depends on how much we really care about the liberty and freedom we champion with words. Freedom, as some wit observed, is not free. Will we have the gumption to pay the cost? The jury is still out on that question. I hope and pray that the answer will be yes. "There is," G.K. Chesterton noted nearly 100 years ago, "a thought that stops thought. That is the only thought that ought to be stopped."
If a child is old enough to manipulate by his actions, he is old enough to understand corporal punishment is the result of such attempts. (Of course a pat on the bottom is as corporal as you get.)
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