Posted on 09/28/2006 8:54:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1709588/posts?page=1
House passes detainee bill
Republicans pushed a bill supported by President George W. Bush to set rules for interrogating and trying terrorism suspects through the U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday and Senate Republicans were expected to follow within a day.
The House passed the bill 253-168 largely along party lines, dismissing warnings from Democrats that courts would strike down the plan for failing to meet judicial standards.
Republicans who control both chambers want to send the bill to Bush by the weekend, when lawmakers head out to campaign for November elections that will determine control of Congress.
The bill sets up procedures to try foreign terrorism suspects at the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The Supreme Court struck down Bush's original plan, saying it violated U.S. and international standards.
As Senate debate on the bill got under way, Republicans defeated an attempt to pass an alternative that Democrats said would meet Supreme Court standards and help restore America's image, damaged by harsh treatment of detainees at Guantanamo Bay and abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
The Senate was expected to pass the bill on Thursday, after considering several other amendments.
Republicans, seeking to polish their terrorism-fighting credentials in the final days of their campaigns, depicted the new rules as tough but fair.
"By formally establishing terrorist tribunals, the bill provides a critical tool in fighting the war on terror and it provides a measure of justice to the victims of 9/11," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican.
House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, a California Republican, said the bill provides "basic fairness in our prosecutions but we also preserve the ability of our war fighters to operate effectively on the battlefield."
But Human rights groups and many Democrats said the deal gave Bush too much latitude to allow harsh interrogations and to deprive detainees of legal rights.
Rep. Ellen Tauscher, a California Democrat, said agreeing to "such an ambiguous compromise would allow the president to define torture when and how he sees fit."
Rep. Louise Slaughter, a New York Democrat, said the bill sends a signal that "America's leaders are willing to abandon our values ... in favor of thuggish tactics they hope might make them safer for a little while."
Democrats also predicted the courts would find the bill unconstitutional because it deprived detainees held without charges of the right to file legal challenges to their imprisonment.
Under a compromise worked out last week, the CIA will be able to continue aggressive interrogations, but supporters of the bill said agency interrogators would comply with the Geneva Conventions' requirement for humane treatment.
The bill also expands the definition of "enemy combatants," who can be held indefinitely without charges, to include those who knowingly support terrorist groups with arms, money and other activities.
Backers of the bill said that provision would choke off supplies to terrorist groups, but critics said it was too broad and could subject many more people to indefinite detention.
Thank God He kept us from getting immortality! We only have to put up with the 60's crowd for another 20 years, then they are all dead.
Let's all have some healthy, public outbursts RIGHT NOW!!!!
NEVER!!!
I saw him at the Sago Miners Memorial at WVWC in Jan and almost didn't recognize him. How they got him to look like he does in his ads is amazing. He is very frail and palsied. Using two canes. He will not last his term if re-elected so there goes the seniority on committees and the ONLY reason WVirginians have to vote for him (aside from saying 'thank you') The way he's been running his mouth the last couple of years has a lot of life-long Dems ticked off.
LOL...Barak Obama, the patron saint of socialist democrats! (Sorry about the redundancy).
From the Hotline:
Full script "Friends"
JOHN MCCAIN : "I have a friend in Washington and he represents the state of Virginia. George Allen works hard, he believes in what he does, he's dedicated, he understands a lot of issues. Has the utmost confidence and belief that in this terrible, titanic struggle that is going on now between good and evil in the world that we will and must prevail. And one of the reasons why we prevail is because George Allen's leadership, vision, courage and his ability to stand up for what he believes in." ALLEN: "I'm George Allen and I approve this message."
Full script "Perspective", featuring Naval Academy grads:
KATHLEEN MURRAY: "It was demoralizing from a perspective that only a woman could understand." CAROLYN SLOWIKOWSKI: "James Webb accused women of the Naval Academy of being promiscuous." MARA MATTHES: "Mr. Webb's viewpoints absolutely showed disrespect towards women." MURRAY: "To imply that we were there for sexual purposes was beyond belief." SLOWIKOWSKI: "We did not have a voice, he had the voice." MURRAY: "I really have to make it very clear to the women of Virginia who may be considering voting for this man that he is no advocate for women." ALLEN: "I'm George Allen and I approved this message."
Full script "Class":
MURRAY: "My name is Kathleen Murray." MATTHES: "Mara Matthes." SLOWIKOWSKI: "Carolyn Slowikowski." MATHES: "United States Naval Academy, class of 1982." MURRAY: "Class of 1984." SLOWIKOWSKI: "Class of 1982." MURRAY: "It was demoralizing from a perspective that only a woman could understand." SLOWIKOWSKI: "James Webb accused the women of the Naval Academy of being promiscuous." MATHES: "Mr. Webb's viewpoints absolutely showed disrespect towards women." MURRAY: "To imply that we were there for sexual purposes was beyond belief." SLOWIKOWSKI: "I felt it was a violation of trust." MATHES: "Mr. Webb has been in positions of leadership and he used that to further his ideas." MURRAY: "James Webb's comments regarding women and their capacity to lead was a slap in the face." SLOWIKOWSKI: "He never fully apologized, showed remorse or tried to make amends." MURRAY: "I really have to make it very clear to the women of Virginia who may be considering voting for this man that he is no advocate for women." ALLEN: "I'm George Allen and I approved this message" (release, 9/28).
4,000 dead? That means they have actually taken more the 10,000 casualties.
It takes practice. It's also good if you're just too wound up at the end of the day and can't fall asleep. At least for me it is. Beats sleeping pills!
the sad thing is that he has a 30 point lead
thanks,I was here as Cactus several years ago when I was an apartment type.Own a home now and got a new cable outlet
and took as my handle my profession...again thx
thanks,I was here as Cactus several years ago when I was an apartment type.Own a home now and got a new cable outlet
and took as my handle my profession...again thx
Darn straight. And it's totally unacceptable. The Geneva Accords, contrary to the Libs and maybe the Supreme Court was never MEANT to apply to illegal combatants (i.e., terrorists)...
sorry the double post..........
...and what more could you ask for in a movie? Worked for me....Woo hoo, half nake....Oops, did I say that out loud?
Also
http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--webb-militarywome0913sep13,0,3242606.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia
Female Naval Academy grads say Webb column caused harassment
By BOB LEWIS
AP Political Writer
September 13, 2006
RICHMOND, Va. -- Five female U.S. Naval Academy graduates on Wednesday said Democratic Senate candidate Jim Webb fostered an air of hostility and harassment for them with a magazine article he wrote in 1979.
Welcon to Free Republic. BTW what's a news bender? :)
And it's not photoshopped?
"messed up" doesn't begin to describe.
Shivvvvver
LOL
That is all I cared about..
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