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Ok, I will be very sincere here, just one questions: IF the Catholics - the actual people who observe the rules, confess and take communion, (the good ones! :) - would have been more indignant... if they would have raised their voices in outrage to the abuses of the.. whatever... don't you think that the high officers (Cardinals, bishops, whatever) of the church would responded in a more transparent fashion?

I mean, just on the issue of abortion... why would a GOOD Catholic vote for a Democrat? If Catholics were sincere.. they should have moved to the right a long time ago.. including the bishops. If they had, then, perhaps, I would me more inclined to listen to their voices on the Immigration.. perhaps.

As I see it, the CC is just "lying low" for now, hoping we all forget the abuses etc... well, i WILL NOT FORGET IT. Ok, I am done for the day. Have to work :)

You're painting with an awfully broad brush, there, ElPatriota. There are liberal Catholics and conservative Catholics. Bye and large, conservative Catholics are those who actually darken the door, believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and believe in the Church's teachings on the sanctity of human life. Overwhelmingly, they vote Republican. Count me among those.

Then there are the cultural Catholics, who use the Church only for baptisms, weddings and funerals, will tell pollsters they're Catholic, but aren't all that Christian and do not believe the Church's teachings. By and large, they vote Democrat.

You're right that the Church unfortunately lost a great deal of its moral authority over the pedophile priests scandal. There are complicated reasons, not excuses, but reasons why the scandal was not taken seriously for many years at the highest levels of Church. IMO, individual members of the church will be judged by God for their actions, and I wouldn't want to be them when it happens. As an aside, Pope Benedict seems to be taking positive steps to clean out the seminaries and lay down the law.

As for immigration, there is no "one Catholic voice" on the subject, just as there is no "one Protestant voice." By and large, conservative Catholics oppose illegal immigration and liberal Catholics do not. That is more a result of where they stand politically than where they sit on Sunday morning.

"if they would have raised their voices in outrage to the abuses?"

First, "if" is the biggest word in the dictionary.

The Church made an honest mistake originally in dealing with the priests who were abusing children.
The Church was told by psychologists that these priests could be treated, "cured." and transferred to other parishes. The psychologists and the Church were wrong.
And priests have since been removed and reparations to those who were abused made. Of course, we all know that no reparation can make up for the wrongs perpetrated on those children.

But if you think so little of the Catholic Church and Catholics that you believe we purposely allowed priests to abuse OUR OWN CHILDREN then I am sorry.You are just DEAD WRONG! Once the Catholic laity learned of the abuse and the failure of the priests' psychological treatment; the priests were removed and turned over to the authorities for criminal justice. Now if you want to continue to hijack this ILLEGAL ALIENS thread with your anti-Catholic posts; then do so without posting to me.

Now about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!